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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8181581" data-attributes="member: 23751">There are no proficiencies in their statblocks at all.&nbsp; The math includes it, but the DM can give an orc a mace, spear, dagger, sword, crossbow, or whatever.&nbsp; Orcs are not limited to only being proficient in greataxe and javalin, even though those are the only two weapons shown in the math.The PHB that says commoners(who are not PCs) are proficient with simple weapons.Stuff deliberately taken out of context is of course, out of context.&nbsp; That sentence refers back to the one preceding it that says, &quot;Most people can use simple weapons with proficiency.&quot;&nbsp; Not that it says people, not PCs, and then follows up with some of the weapons commonly found in the hands of commoners.&nbsp; By the way, the MM block on commoner only lists club, but clearly maces and other simple weapons they will be proficient with, per the PHB.Feel free to continue to ignore the PHB RAW, though.&nbsp; I've no doubt that you will.Three classes have different proficiencies.&nbsp; Druids who are limited by their religion.&nbsp; Sorcerers and Wizards who are limited by their arcane specialization.&nbsp; All of the others can use simple weapons, just like commoners can.My theory is that most, including commoners(both of that per RAW), can use simple weapons.&nbsp; Clearly you've found a few of the specific beats general exceptions. Jesus.&nbsp; You confirm the strawman in the midst of trying to deny it.Pretty much everyone is &quot;Most people&quot;(again, per RAW), but not every single person.&nbsp; So yes, you perverted my argument and then argued against your perversion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8181581, member: 23751"] There are no proficiencies in their statblocks at all. The math includes it, but the DM can give an orc a mace, spear, dagger, sword, crossbow, or whatever. Orcs are not limited to only being proficient in greataxe and javalin, even though those are the only two weapons shown in the math. The PHB that says commoners(who are not PCs) are proficient with simple weapons. Stuff deliberately taken out of context is of course, out of context. That sentence refers back to the one preceding it that says, "Most people can use simple weapons with proficiency." Not that it says people, not PCs, and then follows up with some of the weapons commonly found in the hands of commoners. By the way, the MM block on commoner only lists club, but clearly maces and other simple weapons they will be proficient with, per the PHB. Feel free to continue to ignore the PHB RAW, though. I've no doubt that you will. Three classes have different proficiencies. Druids who are limited by their religion. Sorcerers and Wizards who are limited by their arcane specialization. All of the others can use simple weapons, just like commoners can. My theory is that most, including commoners(both of that per RAW), can use simple weapons. Clearly you've found a few of the specific beats general exceptions. Jesus. You confirm the strawman in the midst of trying to deny it. Pretty much everyone is "Most people"(again, per RAW), but not every single person. So yes, you perverted my argument and then argued against your perversion. [/QUOTE]

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