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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8189589" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Why is it that people seem to forget their own posts so quickly? </p><p></p><p>Me: <strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><strong>"<em>Sure, maybe fantasy plants.</em></strong></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em></em></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em>But, think this through. Nothing about halflings suggests that they have plant magic. So, these plants would be something anyone can grow. There is nothing in the lore about them having access to crops no one else can grow.</em></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em></em></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em>So, anyone could grow all of these fantasy plants in their farms. So, since humans and halflings tend to live so close together, humans would be growing those plants.</em></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em></em></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><strong><em>So, Humans no longer need to trade for spices... so what are they trading?</em></strong>" </span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>You: <strong><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"><em>"Fantasy plants don't need magic (unless you say they do), they are imaginary after all. And this is not suggesting that there is no need for trade, just that halflings, specifically may not need it."</em></span></strong></p><p></p><p>Me: <em><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">"Why not everyone else? They are just plants. Anyone can grow them. </span></strong></em></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em><strong></strong></em></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em><strong>It wasn't like people in Europe couldn't grow potatoes after they were found." </strong></em></span></p><p></p><p>You: <em><strong><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">"Because everyone else is growing trade crops with adequate yields to allow for profitable trade.</span></strong></em></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"><em><strong>When you're growing food for self sufficiency and based on personal preference, you can afford to be less efficient in your fantasy botanical pursuits.</strong></em></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"><em><strong></strong></em></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"><em><strong>But to your point, other similarly self-sufficient and insular communities could exist if they're not particularly interested in accumulating wealth. And.. they may not make for particularly attractive raiding targets." </strong></em></span></p><p></p><p>Me: <em><strong><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">"That makes no sense. </span></strong></em></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em><strong></strong></em></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><em><strong>If it is a plant, it can be grown. If it can be grown, it can be grown in quantities for consumption and trade. Somehow these magical spice plants can't be grown in enough quantity for trade, but they can be grown to support an entire village's needs? No. That isn't how growing plants works."</strong></em></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>You: <strong><em><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">"One year my wife and I grew a dill plant in our kitchen."</span></em></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">So, we went directly from trade, to you talking about Dill, and now you want to claim you aren't talking about trade at all. Maybe you just were ignoring that I was talking about trade, but that doesn't change that that was what I was talking about. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8189589, member: 6801228"] Why is it that people seem to forget their own posts so quickly? Me: [B][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][B]"[I]Sure, maybe fantasy plants.[/I][/B] [I] But, think this through. Nothing about halflings suggests that they have plant magic. So, these plants would be something anyone can grow. There is nothing in the lore about them having access to crops no one else can grow. So, anyone could grow all of these fantasy plants in their farms. So, since humans and halflings tend to live so close together, humans would be growing those plants. [/I] [B][I]So, Humans no longer need to trade for spices... so what are they trading?[/I][/B]" [/COLOR][/B] You: [B][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][I]"Fantasy plants don't need magic (unless you say they do), they are imaginary after all. And this is not suggesting that there is no need for trade, just that halflings, specifically may not need it."[/I][/COLOR][/B] Me: [I][B][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]"Why not everyone else? They are just plants. Anyone can grow them. [/COLOR][/B][/I] [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][I][B] It wasn't like people in Europe couldn't grow potatoes after they were found." [/B][/I][/COLOR] You: [I][B][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]"Because everyone else is growing trade crops with adequate yields to allow for profitable trade.[/COLOR][/B][/I] [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][I][B]When you're growing food for self sufficiency and based on personal preference, you can afford to be less efficient in your fantasy botanical pursuits. But to your point, other similarly self-sufficient and insular communities could exist if they're not particularly interested in accumulating wealth. And.. they may not make for particularly attractive raiding targets." [/B][/I][/COLOR] [B][/B] Me: [I][B][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]"That makes no sense. [/COLOR][/B][/I] [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][I][B] If it is a plant, it can be grown. If it can be grown, it can be grown in quantities for consumption and trade. Somehow these magical spice plants can't be grown in enough quantity for trade, but they can be grown to support an entire village's needs? No. That isn't how growing plants works."[/B][/I][/COLOR] [B][/B] You: [B][I][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]"One year my wife and I grew a dill plant in our kitchen."[/COLOR][/I][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]So, we went directly from trade, to you talking about Dill, and now you want to claim you aren't talking about trade at all. Maybe you just were ignoring that I was talking about trade, but that doesn't change that that was what I was talking about. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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