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why do we have halflings and gnomes?
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8192111" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>False Dichotomies are false. There are average goods, fair quality goods, good quality goods. Things don't have to be fine or poor.</p><p></p><p>False Equivalences are still false. The lore says that Deep Gnomes owe their innate magical abilities to Baravar and those abilities from that feat are the only innate abilities Deep Gnomes have. Therefore there are Deep Gnomes that have them even if PCs don't have access to that feat.</p><p></p><p>You can choose to assume whatever you like about Wood Elves and Pass Without Trace. There is no assumption with Deep Gnomes and their innate abilities. We know for a fact that they have them unless you house rule it to be otherwise.</p><p></p><p>More False Equivalences from you! You never fail to disappoint on the fallacy front.</p><p></p><p>You were assuming that feats were allowed to PCs. I outright said that this happens per RAW even if no feats are allowed(because it does). One situation(your assumption of feats being used) is not equal to the other(My not assuming feats are being used).</p><p></p><p>Or for ducks sake. I thought you said you read Mordenkainen's. If you haven't, just admit it.</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Forest gnomes and deep gnomes owe their innate magical abilities to Baravar</strong>, and all gnomes get their natural defense against magic from her shrewdness."</p><p></p><p>It doesn't get any clearer than that.</p><p></p><p>I didn't see that. Do you have a quote from him?</p><p></p><p>Your ability to get what people say correct is somewhere in the neighborhood(not quite there) of 0%. Unless you can give me a quote, I'm not going to believe this claim of yours.</p><p></p><p>Yes. Silly you. I'm not responsible for you falsely equating town guards, of which there are few and are less trained than soldiers, to soldiers. I don't make that sort of false equivalence. If I say soldiers, I mean actual soldiers. If I'm talking about guards, I say guards. If I say militia, then I'm talking about commoners trained with some easy to use weapons(simple in 5e terms), which is what a militia was.</p><p></p><p>Aaaaaaand another Strawman of my position. I have reversed nothing and still insist that Halflings know many crafts. I have not said and never have said that they are purveyors of fine goods. I said that they can knit, make shoes, blacksmith, etc. so that the village can survive with their small numbers. </p><p></p><p>It's amazing how different descriptors make things different. After all, that Louis Vuitton bag is the same as the one you got from Walmart.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8192111, member: 23751"] False Dichotomies are false. There are average goods, fair quality goods, good quality goods. Things don't have to be fine or poor. False Equivalences are still false. The lore says that Deep Gnomes owe their innate magical abilities to Baravar and those abilities from that feat are the only innate abilities Deep Gnomes have. Therefore there are Deep Gnomes that have them even if PCs don't have access to that feat. You can choose to assume whatever you like about Wood Elves and Pass Without Trace. There is no assumption with Deep Gnomes and their innate abilities. We know for a fact that they have them unless you house rule it to be otherwise. More False Equivalences from you! You never fail to disappoint on the fallacy front. You were assuming that feats were allowed to PCs. I outright said that this happens per RAW even if no feats are allowed(because it does). One situation(your assumption of feats being used) is not equal to the other(My not assuming feats are being used). Or for ducks sake. I thought you said you read Mordenkainen's. If you haven't, just admit it. "[B]Forest gnomes and deep gnomes owe their innate magical abilities to Baravar[/B], and all gnomes get their natural defense against magic from her shrewdness." It doesn't get any clearer than that. I didn't see that. Do you have a quote from him? Your ability to get what people say correct is somewhere in the neighborhood(not quite there) of 0%. Unless you can give me a quote, I'm not going to believe this claim of yours. Yes. Silly you. I'm not responsible for you falsely equating town guards, of which there are few and are less trained than soldiers, to soldiers. I don't make that sort of false equivalence. If I say soldiers, I mean actual soldiers. If I'm talking about guards, I say guards. If I say militia, then I'm talking about commoners trained with some easy to use weapons(simple in 5e terms), which is what a militia was. Aaaaaaand another Strawman of my position. I have reversed nothing and still insist that Halflings know many crafts. I have not said and never have said that they are purveyors of fine goods. I said that they can knit, make shoes, blacksmith, etc. so that the village can survive with their small numbers. It's amazing how different descriptors make things different. After all, that Louis Vuitton bag is the same as the one you got from Walmart. [/QUOTE]
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