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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8192862" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Right, so your entire problem is that I said "fine" assuming halflings made things of value. I guess they only make average quality goods. You want fine goods you go to a different race of people.PCs don't have them. Therefore not all Deep Gnomes would have them. That seems to very neatly counteract your point, unless you want to say that PCs are special somehow, outside the norm, which then raises a lot of questions about whether or not all halflings have Brave, or just the PCs. And it still doesn't address the point that you want to accuse me of not including a feat for Deep Gnomes, which were not talked about at all until you brought them in. I'm sorry, humans can have feats per raw right? And,even if they don't do you know what they can do? They can train with weapons. Training rules apply to everyone. So they would have that whether you have feats or not. And, what did you do again? Oh right, you accused me of false equivalences. Just like you are doing now.Really? Really? So... If I teach you how to build a car, you would owe that knowledge to me, as your teacher right? So... they "owe" their innate magical abilties to him. Could be because he taught the gnomes magic and they used it so much it has become innate to them. You know how I think that happened? Because I read Mordenkainen's, the thing you always accuse me of not doing for some reason. For specifc example, you quoted the first sentence in the second paragraph of the entry of Baravar Cloakshadow. If you had bothered to read the first sentence of the first paragraph of the entry of Baravar Cloakshadow, then you would have seen this "When gnomes arrived in the world, Baravar protected them by teaching them how to hide, use magic, and deceive their foes." Its okay, you can admit you didn't read that they were actually taught, which is the real thing it says.Sure, I can do your reading for you. Here is his most recent, I believe one of his first replies to me also stated it, and he said it a few other times, but I'm not making you a list.---Hey look a quote!And I was right about Gnomes being taught. And I was right about Oofta's quote of goods. And I was right about what Sabathius said. And I was right about Paul Farquar throwing me a gotcha question. Dang, for 0% that sure is a lot.And I'm righting dozens of replies in the space of hours, in-between working with students and on a timeline before my live write. Maybe instead of just finger pointing and screaming "You dum, I didn't say that" and forcing me to waste time finding the quotes of you, you could do your point in this conversation with something like "Soldiers wouldn't work, but I could see town guards" since I've said all three at various points.Right, clearly it is all about quality. Raiders known for rarely bathing and wearing rotted furs are going to care that a ceramic teapot is just of average quality instead of a fine quality. Those darn picky raiders who sleep in filth and garbage. (and yes, goblins are almost always depicted as sleeping in filth and garbage. I'm not going to bother providing you evidence, you can go grab a copy of phandolin or mad mage yourself to read descriptions of goblin camps)</blockquote>

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