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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8194045" data-attributes="member: 23751">So first, it's literally only the PCs that don't have it without a feat, so for balance reasons some very, very, very, very, 1000 more verys, few don't have it.&nbsp; Second, the lore straight up says that they got it from the goddess, not that they believe that they got it from their goddess, so I have proven that in 5e that's where they get it.Feel free to change it for your game, though.Not enough to matter.Yes, you can homebrew an NPC deep gnome without the innate magic.&nbsp; I don't dispute that.&nbsp; As I said above, feel free to do so.&nbsp; It takes the DM deliberately removing it, though, to keep them from having it.&nbsp; Your homebrew doesn't change anything that I've said.It was an absurd thing to say, then.&nbsp; The mental gymnastics involved were mighty.You can't teach innate magic.&nbsp; It's..................innate.No it doesn't say that Baravar taught them innate magic.&nbsp; It says magic, which is wizardry and the like.&nbsp; Innate magic is...........innate, not taught.It is by RAW explicitly innate.&nbsp; Look at the Deep Gnome entry in the MM AND the Mordenkainen's lore.&nbsp; This is not disputable in any rational manner.You do realize that taking possessions is secondary to the primary objective of wealth, right?&nbsp; It's an opportunity grab, not the goal.&nbsp; The goal of goblins is not to raid for spoons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8194045, member: 23751"] So first, it's literally only the PCs that don't have it without a feat, so for balance reasons some very, very, very, very, 1000 more verys, few don't have it. Second, the lore straight up says that they got it from the goddess, not that they believe that they got it from their goddess, so I have proven that in 5e that's where they get it. Feel free to change it for your game, though. Not enough to matter. Yes, you can homebrew an NPC deep gnome without the innate magic. I don't dispute that. As I said above, feel free to do so. It takes the DM deliberately removing it, though, to keep them from having it. Your homebrew doesn't change anything that I've said. It was an absurd thing to say, then. The mental gymnastics involved were mighty. You can't teach innate magic. It's..................innate. No it doesn't say that Baravar taught them innate magic. It says magic, which is wizardry and the like. Innate magic is...........innate, not taught. It is by RAW explicitly innate. Look at the Deep Gnome entry in the MM AND the Mordenkainen's lore. This is not disputable in any rational manner. You do realize that taking possessions is secondary to the primary objective of wealth, right? It's an opportunity grab, not the goal. The goal of goblins is not to raid for spoons. [/QUOTE]

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