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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4637731" data-attributes="member: 5122">Plate armor, +1 heavy steel shield, +1 Dex, and (sheesh, it's right in the portion of the post you quoted!) fighting defensively.&nbsp; I didn't even make an attempt to optimize ... a 5th level fighter can reasonably get a substantially higher AC, making things even worse for the troll.Because the fighters aren't idiots.&nbsp; If wounded and at any real risk, an individual fighter will pull out, and maybe use his composite long bow.&nbsp; If the troll follows, fine ... it takes nasty AoOs and -- because it moved -- can't possibly rend.This is basic D&amp;D tactics, along with things like doing Aid Another to give +2 to AC to the wounded fighter.&nbsp; If a group just allows a monster to do what it wants to do, well, yeah, PCs are gonna die.&nbsp; A lot.Seriously, I'm shocked by the lousy tactical imagination displayed in these replies.&nbsp; Anybody who thinks they can kill one of four 5th level fighters with a standard troll, and wants to put some money on it, let me know.EDIT: I do want to apologize for sounding snarky.&nbsp; I just truly am puzzled, because this matchup -- a troll versus four fighters -- illustrates practically a Kobayashi Maru scenario for the troll, unless the DM seriously tilts things in its favor by means of terrain and the like.As an exercise for the reader, and further illustration: Assume a 40-foot by 40-foot room and the four fighters on troll.&nbsp; The four fighters can all but guarantee that the troll will never have an opportunity to rend.&nbsp; How?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4637731, member: 5122"] Plate armor, [I]+1 heavy steel shield[/I], +1 Dex, and (sheesh, it's right in the portion of the post you quoted!) fighting defensively. I didn't even make an attempt to optimize ... a 5th level fighter can reasonably get a substantially higher AC, making things even worse for the troll. [I]Because the fighters aren't idiots.[/I] If wounded and at any real risk, an individual fighter will pull out, and maybe use his composite long bow. If the troll follows, fine ... it takes nasty AoOs and -- because it moved -- can't possibly rend. This is basic D&D tactics, along with things like doing Aid Another to give +2 to AC to the wounded fighter. If a group just [i]allows[/i] a monster to do what it wants to do, well, yeah, PCs are gonna die. A lot. Seriously, I'm shocked by the lousy tactical imagination displayed in these replies. Anybody who thinks they can kill one of four 5th level fighters with a standard troll, and wants to put some money on it, let me know. EDIT: I do want to apologize for sounding snarky. I just truly am puzzled, because this matchup -- a troll versus four fighters -- illustrates practically a [I]Kobayashi Maru[/I] scenario for the troll, unless the DM seriously tilts things in its favor by means of terrain and the like. As an exercise for the reader, and further illustration: Assume a 40-foot by 40-foot room and the four fighters on troll. The four fighters can all but guarantee that the troll will [I]never[/I] have an opportunity to rend. How? [/QUOTE]

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