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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bawylie" data-source="post: 7072749" data-attributes="member: 6776133">I don't see these are at odds. Let's say my character has 18 charisma. And I, irl, have merely 26.  Numerically, perhaps I am better at talking good than my character counterpart. But here's how player and character skill work together: when presented with a scenario wherein persuasion or speechifying is an appropriate course of action to achieve some goal, I (as player) decide, "Ok, I'm gonna romance the dragon." Now I can say whatever I think my character might say in service of that romance. "You're so scaly and red, super hot, can I get dem digits?" Those words color, but do not determine, the ultimate outcome of my action. Only the ability check itself does. So it goes down that I attempt to compliment the dragon with the intent of entering into some romantic entanglement with it. The DM determines whether or not this is possible (maybe the dragon is into inter-species dysmorphia, idk, its not my place to judge) and sets an appropriate DC. I succeed or fail based on my cha check. Harmony. Player decides what to do and how to do it, the success of the action is determined by qualities the character possesses. And I fly off into the sunset with my new dragon lover. -Brad</blockquote>