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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nevin" data-source="post: 9806347" data-attributes="member: 7024481">well see very few MMA games in m RPG and even if you add all the professional wrestlers and MMA and other Martial Artists 99 percent of people who train to fight are training to kill.   Even if they don't expect to do it every day.  so a few percentage points of  athletes don't really move that needle at all.  Historically paid combatants for sport were pretty rare unless it was to the death anyway so your argument only holds for modern times anyway.   But Warriors name starts with WAR for a reason. The concept of Warriors came from all the many wars most of the combatants throughout history participated in. And inspite of many cultures attempts to turn combat into a sacred or special thing in the end it always ends up with people trained to kill killing each other.  I seriously doubt there are any DIVINE limitation in my Mundane argument about people trained to kill killing people.  And I'm pretty sure Bruce lee got shot in the chest by a street thug.  Police officers sometimes get themselves in trouble because muscle memory kicks in and they kill people they shouldn't because they react without thinking.  Most Chinese and Japanese orders that revered martial arts died in the 1800's because guns erased your idea that trained people always win.   Even if you go back historically many groups of trained warriors and monks became so successful that kings, and emperors  just overwhelmed them with force and killed them all.  That and honestly size, and mass and numbers mean far more than most people realize.  As I said.  I fully accept the argument that other people kill for money.  That doesn't limit or mitigate my argument about warriors at all.  Though I am fully aware that pointing out that people  who train to kill usually do kill and that there is nothing good, holy, divine or even sacred about it, is something that pokes at many culture's sacred cows about their special men and women of war and combat.  I'll even admit that some of them use those abilities to protect others.   however this is a gamer forum we are talking about RPG games and it's really silly to try and frame an RPG , mythical, argument around real life.  I'll leave with one statement.  IMO Training to Kill is training to kill.  nothing more nothing less and there is nothing divine or special about it.  This is why the term MURDERHOBO exists in the game community.  You can be a warrior and not a murderhobo., but there is nothing uniquely divine or special about warriors.  (but that could be different in a fantasy world). In reality they are people who with all the options their society gave them to make the world a better place decided to focus on how to kill people.    But I do love my myths and legends where the most noble warriors slay all the bad guys and make the world a better place. It is sad that it doesn't seem to work that way in real life.   This is why we have them in games.   I don't expect you to agree with me. Don't really care if you disagree with me. I've had my say. I'm not replying on any more on this particular part of this discussion.     /done /peace out</blockquote>

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