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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5834225" data-attributes="member: 54877">A couple of points about surges that might give someone an idea. Surges consist of two parts, the surge value which is 1/4 of total hit points of the character, and number of surges per day, which is based on Con, class, and augmented by certain feats, abilities, etc. These work together in 4E, but there is no inherent reason why they cannot be used separately. For example, if you want proportional healing, but not the surges per day, then you can still use the surge value to handle this easily--compared to figuring percentages every time healing happens. In such a system, the prompt for healing would still be potions, spells, etc., but the effectiveness of each bit of healing would be proportional to the characters' hit point total. You might want to use a smaller fraction than 1/4 for such a "healing value", since healing per day would no longer be limited by the character. Surge value is a convenient way of handling proportional healing, and that is all it is. Independent of the above, you can make number of surges more consequential in some kind of wound model by tying powerful abilities to the surges. This would presumably be done in some variant of renaming the surges as "heroic surges" or the like. Unchanged, this does introduce a bit of death spiral into the game, in that healing now takes away chances to do those powerful abilities. However, consider something like this below, where the two are mostly independent: "Healing Value" - 1/5 of your hit points, represents the base healing that you get back from any heal or inspiration or anything else that effects hit points in the modules that you are currently using. There is no limit but access to these resources. "Heroic Surge" - limited resource that you can use to activate key special abilities. Included in this list is the "Second Wind," which is the only common way that a character can "self heal", and can only be used once per fight (and still requiring a standard action).  Set the number of surges high enough that it consistently exceeds the expected number of fights per day, and having to "Second Wind" cuts down on other "heroic surge" use, but it not automatically crippling. Alternately, set "Heroic Surges" at an even greater number, but only allow them to recoup during full rest (i.e. not on an adventure, typically), and they become an operational resource. You can change them as much as you want, because most healing is independent. Likewise, a warlord inspiring hit points back is something that you can swap in or out at preference. If you have a party where a warlord replaces the cleric, but your group doesn't like "warlord healing", then simply increase the supply of healiing magic like people have always done in a party without a cleric. Perhaps you let the warlord's inspiration do something else to compensate that player. But either way, this does not substantially affect the "heroic surge" economy, if you are otherwise happy with it. BTW, this is an example of why "decoupling" in design provides flexibility in modules. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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