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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 5834363" data-attributes="member: 3400">Hey, you know you can address me directly rather than take a little passive aggressive swipe at me as the author of "the responses to my example". I can take it.You've never seen a PC take a hit and realize he can't take another one? I have. They get pretty creative at staying out of the fight after that.And you know what? Hanging upside down in a cave gets Luke out of the wind chill and in a somewhat closer area with a warm-blooded creature. On a planet like Hoth (notice the wind whipping around outside) those will both be a big deal. I would certainly consider the difference in effective temperature when dealing with cold dangers between being in shelter and being without.And none of this is ignoring hp=physical damage. Nor do I consider a non-lethal damage track cheating since it is a part and parcel of the 3e system in general, I'd even say it's part of the 3e hit point system. It seems to me that it's pretty pointless to carve out an element of the 3e hit point system to say it's limited when you are avoiding looking at as a whole. Non-lethal damage, tracked by using hit points, is part of that system and is intended to fill a vital role.That said, I don't hold that all hit point damage needs to be 100% physical damage. Never have. Rather, I see all hit point loss events as indicating some physical wearing down of the character (one reason I think some 4e bard's powers are so silly aside from very limited circumstances). It may be because of actual gashes, bruising, becoming increasingly tired from the energy expended to avoid the worst of all those attacks. I don't see hit point damage as being inseparable from having some physical effect that leaves the character more vulnerable to a sword thrust that lays him low. But though I don't see hit points and damage as being 100% physical, that doesn't mean I can't do some pretty flexible things with the 3e hit point system, the SWSE hit point system, or that I think healing surges are a good mechanic as implemented in 4e.</blockquote>

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