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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 6662391" data-attributes="member: 54629">Let's compare (PHB options only).Wizard 1 (Dex 14, Int 16; PB +2)Dagger: +4 to hit; 1 target; range 20'/60'; 4 (1d4 + 2) piercing dmgAcid Splash: +5 to hit; 1-2 targets; range 60'; 3 (1d6) acid dmgChill Touch: +5 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 4 (1d8) necrotic dmg + can't healFire Bolt: +5 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 5 (1d10) fire dmg + sets things on firePoison Spray: DC 13; 1 target; range 10'; 6 (1d12) poison dmgRay of Frost: +5 to hit; 1 target; range 60'; 4 (1d8) cold dmg + slowingShocking Grasp: +5 to hit; 1 target; touch; 4 (1d8) lightning dmg + no reactionWizard 5 (Dex 14, Int 18; PB +3)Dagger: +5 to hit; 1 target; range 20'/60'; 4 (1d4 + 2) piercing dmgAcid Splash: +7 to hit; 1-2 targets; range 60'; 7 (2d6) acid dmgChill Touch: +7 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 9 (2d8) necrotic dmg + can't healFire Bolt: +7 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 11 (2d10) fire dmg + sets things on firePoison Spray: DC 15; 1 target; range 10'; 13 (2d12) poison dmgRay of Frost: +7 to hit; 1 target; range 60'; 9 (2d8) cold dmg + slowingShocking Grasp: +7 to hit; 1 target; touch; 9 (2d8) lightning dmg + no reactionWizard 11 (Dex 14, Int 20; PB +4)Dagger: +6 to hit; 1 target; range 20'/60'; 4 (1d4 + 2) piercing dmgAcid Splash: +9 to hit; 1-2 targets; range 60'; 10 (3d6) acid dmgChill Touch: +9 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 13 (3d8) necrotic dmg + can't healFire Bolt: +9 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 16 (3d10) fire dmg + sets things on firePoison Spray: DC 17; 1 target; range 10'; 19 (3d12) poison dmgRay of Frost: +9 to hit; 1 target; range 60'; 13 (3d8) cold dmg + slowingShocking Grasp: +9 to hit; 1 target; touch; 13 (3d8) lightning dmg + no reactionWizard 17 (Dex 16, Int 20; PB +6)Dagger: +9 to hit; 1 target; range 20'/60'; 5 (1d4 + 3) piercing dmgAcid Splash: +11 to hit; 1-2 targets; range 60'; 14 (4d6) acid dmgChill Touch: +11 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 18 (4d8) necrotic dmg + can't healFire Bolt: +11 to hit; 1 target; range 120'; 22 (4d10) fire dmg + sets things on firePoison Spray: DC 19; 1 target; range 10'; 26 (4d12) poison dmgRay of Frost: +11 to hit; 1 target; range 60'; 18 (4d8) cold dmg + slowingShocking Grasp: +11 to hit; 1 target; touch; 18 (4d8) lightning dmg + no reactionAs you can see, *all* of the wizard's attack cantrips (in the PHB at least) scale with level, and most outperform a dagger even at first level. If you're worried about other classes' DPR outstripping the wizard's, I would think that relying on a dagger over cantrips would be even worse in that regard! Not only will the cantrips do more damage, the wizard will have an easier time hitting with them (assuming he's favoring Int over Dex).</blockquote>

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