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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 7900365" data-attributes="member: 6688937">Yeah, but, beyond that fact that your chosen aspects are supposed to represent the character you wanted to play...you're not forced to, its an offer. Like, &quot;Hey, here's an opportunity to play your character&quot;, bonus FP offered up front. Don't like it. You can just buy it off with a Fate point.* You can even have the situation where you have &quot;a wash&quot; where two aspects contradict and you pay nothing in sum. Honestly, its a much gentler way of handling things than &quot;That doesn't seem like an LG act to me, you're character looses all his powers until he repents.&quot; (Although much more ubiquitous, in play, to be sure.) Honestly, I have difficulty imagining a system more suited to directly enforce the weight or admixture of advantageous and disadvantageous traits.Additionally, in the most recent Fate incarnations, that sounds more likely to be a self-compel. So, the player of the mischievous thieving space raccoon suggests to the GM &quot;Hey, so these battery things are probably really shiny and useful, like I, as a mischievous thieving space raccoon would take a couple, yeah?&quot; Boom, consequences generated and paid for with a Fate point. *For example: You might be a implusive thief but also raised to be a good catholic boy. So the GM compels you to steal the golden cross, then you immediately self-compel/invoke to put it back in a fit of guilt. Heck, if you play it right, you can come away with two FP for roleplaying the conflict between the aspects. e.g. Go to confession to return the cross (and point it out to the GM), then the priest gives you a penance. (Fate examples can get notoriously tricky because it can depend a lot on the narrative.) Like I said. It just seems like an odd part of the common complaint about Fate points to me. I'm certainly not saying that they must be universally loved.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 7900365, member: 6688937"] Yeah, but, beyond that fact that your chosen aspects are supposed to represent the character you wanted to play...you're not [U]forced[/U] to, its an offer. Like, "Hey, here's an opportunity to play your character", bonus FP offered up front. Don't like it. You can just buy it off with a Fate point.* You can even have the situation where you have "a wash" where two aspects contradict and you pay nothing in sum. Honestly, its a much gentler way of handling things than "That doesn't seem like an LG act to me, you're character looses all his powers until he repents." (Although much more ubiquitous, in play, to be sure.) Honestly, I have difficulty imagining a system more suited to directly enforce the weight or admixture of advantageous and disadvantageous traits. Additionally, in the most recent Fate incarnations, that sounds more likely to be a self-compel. So, the player of the [I]mischievous thieving space raccoon[/I] suggests to the GM "Hey, so these battery things are probably really shiny and useful, like I, as a mischievous thieving space raccoon would take a couple, yeah?" Boom, consequences generated and paid for with a Fate point. *For example: You might be a [I]implusive thief[/I] but also [I]raised to be a good catholic boy. [/I]So the GM compels you to steal the golden cross, then you immediately self-compel/invoke to put it back in a fit of guilt. Heck, if you play it right, you can come away with two FP for roleplaying the conflict between the aspects. e.g. Go to confession to return the cross (and point it out to the GM), then the priest gives you a penance. (Fate examples can get notoriously tricky because it can depend a lot on the narrative.) Like I said. It just seems like an odd part of the common complaint about Fate points to me. I'm certainly not saying that they must be universally loved. [/QUOTE]

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