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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 6825737" data-attributes="member: 28301">The prior campaigns is the issue, if the players make it one.&nbsp; I play in an older gaming group, almost everyone has started in 1st edition.&nbsp; Everyone knows almost everything, but we don't have a problem separating our knowledge from the knowledge of the character.&nbsp; The hardest thing for players to do is play a character with low intelligence or wisdom, or to a lesser extent charisma.&nbsp; Its worse then the evil-hating neutrals problem.&nbsp; The way to solve this though is to realize the DM is a player too.Your DM is in it for enjoyment also.&nbsp; He isn't a paid referee.&nbsp; His fun is you having trouble overcoming his strategies.&nbsp; That's why its tough to be a DM, the game is set up so you are designed to &quot;lose.&quot;&nbsp; That's why when we get a new player in the group I explain to them that you have to &quot;give&quot; the DM something in your character to work with, something to play off of.&nbsp; A weakness to exploit, either in character build or playstyle.Meta-gaming ruins the experience for everyone, but really for the hardest worker at the table, the DM.&nbsp; If you do so your just a skell, IMO.&nbsp; And you deserve the DM pounding you with trolls wearing rings of fire resistance or some such thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 6825737, member: 28301"] The prior campaigns is the issue, if the players make it one. I play in an older gaming group, almost everyone has started in 1st edition. Everyone knows almost everything, but we don't have a problem separating our knowledge from the knowledge of the character. The hardest thing for players to do is play a character with low intelligence or wisdom, or to a lesser extent charisma. Its worse then the evil-hating neutrals problem. The way to solve this though is to realize the DM is a player too. Your DM is in it for enjoyment also. He isn't a paid referee. His fun is you having trouble overcoming his strategies. That's why its tough to be a DM, the game is set up so you are designed to "lose." That's why when we get a new player in the group I explain to them that you have to "give" the DM something in your character to work with, something to play off of. A weakness to exploit, either in character build or playstyle. Meta-gaming ruins the experience for everyone, but really for the hardest worker at the table, the DM. If you do so your just a skell, IMO. And you deserve the DM pounding you with trolls wearing rings of fire resistance or some such thing. [/QUOTE]

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