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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 7634929" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Flaws with GenCon and Origins data: many games are there because the developers are there to push it; the numbers look much more like the ratio of staffers than players... </p><p></p><p>Likewise, the sales numbers for some 3rd tier but well known publishers run to the 4000 lifetime print run, and POD thereafter, for the sales life of the product. D&D, Star Wars, and Pathfinder initial print runs are in the 10K to 20K range... and 2 of those are the second tier.</p><p></p><p>Pathfinder 2 corebooks, we saw dozens of pallets full...</p><p>Burning Wheel Gold: one pallet, not as tall.</p><p>T5.0: 1.5 pallets. </p><p></p><p>Surveys have repeatedly been done of players... 90% play D&D. Not all exclusively, but 90% of RPG players play D&D. (have ever played, those ratios climb.)</p><p></p><p>Likewise, the dataset lacks attendance data. Without which... the gen con numbers are worthless for describing players. It's a good sign of the number of companies; there, it's probably a fairly representative sample.</p><p></p><p>ALso, the data has categorization issues. Star Wars TSR doesn't describe a known system; it's likely that it was Star Wars d20.</p><p></p><p>Further, many of the "Living ___" events are setting for D&D 3.X, rather than being generic d20. And they tended to be, according to the coverage, large. </p><p></p><p>And then, there's the issue that non-D20 D&D is not connected with core 3.X... some 300±20 are actually D&D rules, and include some of the largest events at Gen Con... </p><p></p><p>I can supply some observations from my local con...</p><p></p><p>D&D 2 events... but over 30 players between them.</p><p>Me: 3 events 3 systems (MLP:TOE, STA, and Feng Shui 2), total 14 players, half of whom also played D&D. 1 of whom was totally new to tabletop RPGing. (She'd come to drop off her eldest, who was one of those 14, as well, and decided to stay for boardgames... but knowing she'd been playing MMOs... She started RPGing with Feng Shui...)</p><p></p><p>other RPGs: 4 that I saw... total about 12 players (yes, overlap) and 4 GM's; almost all of those players were there for D&D, but taking a chance to play something else.</p><p></p><p>The ones I know were not there for D&D but for some other RPG? 4... C's group - who were there primarily for boardgames, but also played in my MLP game... Yeah, I ran a kid-oriented RPG at 10pm for a group of adults. We had a bunch of really silly fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 7634929, member: 6779310"] Flaws with GenCon and Origins data: many games are there because the developers are there to push it; the numbers look much more like the ratio of staffers than players... Likewise, the sales numbers for some 3rd tier but well known publishers run to the 4000 lifetime print run, and POD thereafter, for the sales life of the product. D&D, Star Wars, and Pathfinder initial print runs are in the 10K to 20K range... and 2 of those are the second tier. Pathfinder 2 corebooks, we saw dozens of pallets full... Burning Wheel Gold: one pallet, not as tall. T5.0: 1.5 pallets. Surveys have repeatedly been done of players... 90% play D&D. Not all exclusively, but 90% of RPG players play D&D. (have ever played, those ratios climb.) Likewise, the dataset lacks attendance data. Without which... the gen con numbers are worthless for describing players. It's a good sign of the number of companies; there, it's probably a fairly representative sample. ALso, the data has categorization issues. Star Wars TSR doesn't describe a known system; it's likely that it was Star Wars d20. Further, many of the "Living ___" events are setting for D&D 3.X, rather than being generic d20. And they tended to be, according to the coverage, large. And then, there's the issue that non-D20 D&D is not connected with core 3.X... some 300±20 are actually D&D rules, and include some of the largest events at Gen Con... I can supply some observations from my local con... D&D 2 events... but over 30 players between them. Me: 3 events 3 systems (MLP:TOE, STA, and Feng Shui 2), total 14 players, half of whom also played D&D. 1 of whom was totally new to tabletop RPGing. (She'd come to drop off her eldest, who was one of those 14, as well, and decided to stay for boardgames... but knowing she'd been playing MMOs... She started RPGing with Feng Shui...) other RPGs: 4 that I saw... total about 12 players (yes, overlap) and 4 GM's; almost all of those players were there for D&D, but taking a chance to play something else. The ones I know were not there for D&D but for some other RPG? 4... C's group - who were there primarily for boardgames, but also played in my MLP game... Yeah, I ran a kid-oriented RPG at 10pm for a group of adults. We had a bunch of really silly fun. [/QUOTE]
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