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<blockquote data-quote="Zubatcarteira" data-source="post: 8457408" data-attributes="member: 7025705">A Barbarian definitely needs all the AC they can get since their Reckless Attacks gives a huge boost for enemies to hit them, but at least they can wear armor and shields if needed. Monks really do get rekt with their d8 hit die, and reliying entirely on Unarmored Defense if they don't have magic items (they can BA dodge, but it's pretty bad due to low Ki in general). On Topic: Beyond the world building angle, it's rough to think of something, since ASIs will always make you better at a thing, even if it's not your main one. Like, if a Barbarian bumps CHA, then gets Skill Expert to get even better Charisma (Persuasion) checks, is that optimizing? He's not following the class' main thing, but he's definitely trying to become as good as he can at something else, which I guess you could call it optimizing, just not for combat. If the campaign has more talking than fighting, it can surely be more beneficial. So, if you definite optimization as just doing the class' main thing well, there's a ton of concepts you can play with, the smart Barbarian, strong Rogue, charismatic Monk, etc. If optimization is just trying to be good at something, then, I don't know how you can use ASIs and not be that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zubatcarteira, post: 8457408, member: 7025705"] A Barbarian definitely needs all the AC they can get since their Reckless Attacks gives a huge boost for enemies to hit them, but at least they can wear armor and shields if needed. Monks really do get rekt with their d8 hit die, and reliying entirely on Unarmored Defense if they don't have magic items (they can BA dodge, but it's pretty bad due to low Ki in general). On Topic: Beyond the world building angle, it's rough to think of something, since ASIs will always make you better at a thing, even if it's not your main one. Like, if a Barbarian bumps CHA, then gets Skill Expert to get even better Charisma (Persuasion) checks, is that optimizing? He's not following the class' main thing, but he's definitely trying to become as good as he can at something else, which I guess you could call it optimizing, just not for combat. If the campaign has more talking than fighting, it can surely be more beneficial. So, if you definite optimization as just doing the class' main thing well, there's a ton of concepts you can play with, the smart Barbarian, strong Rogue, charismatic Monk, etc. If optimization is just trying to be good at something, then, I don't know how you can use ASIs and not be that. [/QUOTE]

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