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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8459665" data-attributes="member: 7031982">If I had any instinct for self-preservation I would drop out of this debate before my head explodes.No, I would not be surprised.&nbsp; Like I said, I used to raid competitively, and I'm still an optimizer, and honestly I get really annoyed with D&amp;D players who seem completely disinterested in mechanical effectiveness.The only thing I'm questioning is how common it is for Tasha's to be the difference between a table that used to accept a 14 but no longer does.&nbsp; That the only thing going on here is a change in what the table will accept, to the point of rejecting a player who's only crime is having a character with a +2 primary modifier.&nbsp; And not just one player who suddenly changes their standards, but an entire table (or possibly even all the tables in the area...that wasn't clear to me).I guess the one thing that does make a little bit of sense to me is that, pre-Tasha's, a player could argue they just really want to play race X.&nbsp; Post-Tasha's, it seems almost seems passive aggressive to insist on a 14 with a table who you know consists of hard core optimizers.&nbsp; (Although maybe more information is necessary: is the 14 necessary in order to have 14's or 15's in 4 different stats?&nbsp; Or is it just, &quot;I don't want a 16&quot;?)So I could see a table being so fed up with that sort of attitude that they want to just get rid of that player.&nbsp; In which case it isn't really about Tasha's but about personality conflicts coming to the surface.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8459665, member: 7031982"] If I had any instinct for self-preservation I would drop out of this debate before my head explodes. No, I would not be surprised. Like I said, I used to raid competitively, and I'm still an optimizer, and honestly I get really annoyed with D&D players who seem completely disinterested in mechanical effectiveness. The only thing I'm questioning is how common it is for Tasha's to be the difference between a table that used to accept a 14 but no longer does. That the only thing going on here is a change in what the table will accept, to the point of rejecting a player who's only crime is having a character with a +2 primary modifier. And not just one player who suddenly changes their standards, but an entire table (or possibly even all the tables in the area...that wasn't clear to me). I guess the one thing that does make a little bit of sense to me is that, pre-Tasha's, a player could argue they just really want to play race X. Post-Tasha's, it seems almost seems passive aggressive to insist on a 14 with a table who you know consists of hard core optimizers. (Although maybe more information is necessary: is the 14 necessary in order to have 14's or 15's in 4 different stats? Or is it just, "I don't want a 16"?) So I could see a table being so fed up with that sort of attitude that they want to just get rid of that player. In which case it isn't [I]really[/I] about Tasha's but about personality conflicts coming to the surface. [/QUOTE]

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