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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribe" data-source="post: 8459692" data-attributes="member: 6807152">Very much of the ASI debate is down to exactly this. Everyone should know by now it's not really the +1.OK good, we have a basic framework then.It's not about hard core optimization. If it was, they would all be VHuman.Going back to the well.WoW has.RaceClassTalentsProfessionsConsumablesRaid and Party Comp.All of those things (and a few more) directly impact your performance.A hardcore raid, is going to dictate every one of those things.A semi casual, is going to remove a few off the list, but will have players who may fit in a hardcore raid, and some who are total casuals.A casual raid, is just a friends and family guild, that never keeps up on progression, and is a social group.All are good and valid ways to play.The hardcore table, is all Vhuman or some other minmax set of classes and races.The casuals, are the ones that don't care about the mechanical impact of a +1.The semi casual, I'm is the largest and most meaningful group.So let's break it down.I raid. I am fully consuming, proper talents, proper race, for PvE. My professions are not minmax.I have someone else in my raid, same Race, Class, Talents, who gets a better party composition, but we share raid buffs. He has better PvE professions.By virtue of consumables alone, a choice, that everyone can make, I out perform this guy EVERY week, for the last 4 months.Now, imagine if his talents were jacked?The argument here isn't 'well why not just expect everything' or why does this matter now.The argument is that with floating, it's a 5 gold respec cost to correct your talents.I'm not asking for 1500g in consumes, or race change for real $$, or releveling professions.It's a real low bar to have correct attributes, so just do it.That's all I'm saying.</blockquote>

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