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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 3563044" data-attributes="member: 892">Wotc disagrees with you, but in any case, now we are only negotiating the price, as the old joke goes.  If you think that vampires are stronger than humans of the same level, then you would accept *some* level of LA to balance that out, right?  You might think that +8 is too high, but otherwise it is a matter of a trade-off.For what it is worth, I have heard that some DMs simply subtract one from the given LAs to get a result that feels right to them.Think of it this way:  A party of 1st level humans might find it interesting to investigate that band of kobolds that has been terrorizing Farmer Bill.  A party of 1st level vampires would be bored silly playing that adventure.</blockquote>