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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moggthegob" data-source="post: 3730881" data-attributes="member: 49515">See I dont like maneuvers, at least how written most of the time because they dont seem realistic and, if i recall dont use anything more than a swift action. Plus Bo9s took a look at the core rules and said lets find a thousand ways to mess with them which really frustrated me as a DM and due to over flashiness instead of doing your job resulted in a few unneccessary TPKS. That and I just feel like no matter how many maneuvers you have the biggest thing will always be"How do I do as much damage as possible" and for flavor regarding how you hit, there is no mechanic in the world that can top roleplaying. I never saw the "fighter problem" but then again I play with a group where mages and clerics are very rare(they all play fighters and never have gotten bored with them so somethingm ust be right). I feel that tactical postionioing involved for fighters was always thier big in combat decision. If you lay without minis this feel is really lost.WOW, I really rambled. Sorry.My real point is I am trying to get into 4e but I cant seem to find a reason good enough for me.</blockquote>