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<blockquote data-quote="OhGodtheRats" data-source="post: 5415629" data-attributes="member: 71815">I'm not great at arguing theory but I can throw out an example as a piece of evidence.&nbsp; It's kinda my job to try out a bit of everything &amp; my local crew suffers in some games with me flipflopping to new stuff as it comes out. So I made a Cavalier Paladin (who rides a Dinosaur per the Dragon article but that's beside the point) and decided to see how &quot;focused&quot; I could get him.&nbsp; Class Features that increase Surge Value?&nbsp; Let's run with that.My Dragonborn's Bloodied Value is 68.&nbsp; My Dragonborn's Surge Value is 57.&nbsp; Some of that is Racial, Some of it is Swift Recovery, Some of it is Item Set Bonus, Some of it is the Belt of Vigor. There's more to it but I could totally see why they might have intented Surge Value to be.....scary if it could be too easily buffed.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;On the flipside and I know I'm opening a can of worms by saying it: The number of Surges you have doesn't increase (save Con increase) as you level.&nbsp; That kind of implies their value works on some other scale when compared to buffing, I don't know, a character's speed, or an item damage bonus.&nbsp;My wife's in the background suggesting a 3rd point: &quot;Don't all Waist Slot Items kinda suck/are filler for everyone except nerds who have goofy character concepts?&quot;I am ashamed I halfway agree.&nbsp; (Belt of Vigor being a tame &quot;Essentials&quot; item leads some weight to this.)&nbsp;These are 3 random thoughts that I share. Thanks for humoring me.-Jared</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OhGodtheRats, post: 5415629, member: 71815"] I'm not great at arguing theory but I can throw out an example as a piece of evidence. It's kinda my job to try out a bit of everything & my local crew suffers in some games with me flipflopping to new stuff as it comes out. So I made a Cavalier Paladin (who rides a Dinosaur per the Dragon article but that's beside the point) and decided to see how "focused" I could get him. Class Features that increase Surge Value? Let's run with that. My Dragonborn's Bloodied Value is 68. My Dragonborn's Surge Value is 57. Some of that is Racial, Some of it is Swift Recovery, Some of it is Item Set Bonus, Some of it is the Belt of Vigor. There's more to it but I could totally see why they might have intented Surge Value to be.....scary if it could be too easily buffed. On the flipside and I know I'm opening a can of worms by saying it: The number of Surges you have doesn't increase (save Con increase) as you level. That kind of implies their value works on some other scale when compared to buffing, I don't know, a character's speed, or an item damage bonus. My wife's in the background suggesting a 3rd point: "Don't all Waist Slot Items kinda suck/are filler for everyone except nerds who have goofy character concepts?" I am ashamed I halfway agree. (Belt of Vigor being a tame "Essentials" item leads some weight to this.) These are 3 random thoughts that I share. Thanks for humoring me. -Jared [/QUOTE]

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