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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3700843" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>In terms of the people writing the show, assuming that they meant the program to follow the same rules as the real universe, yes.</p><p></p><p>In terms of what the program demonstrates about the rules of the universe it takes place in, no.</p><p></p><p>Retconning stories and speculation about the universe in which they take place, IMHO, requires that you first accept what happens in the story as data, and then use that data to determine what it implies about that story's universe. For example, in LotR there are elves and orcs. While you can simply say that this is scientific ignorance, because there are no elves or orcs in the real world, saying so tells you nothing about the world in which LotR takes place.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, you can simply say that Spock cannot exist in the ST universe, but as Spock does exist in the ST universe, saying so tells you nothing about the universe in which ST takes place. (It might tell you something about the writers, though, if the basic assumption of attempted scientific accuract is a correct assumption....omnipotent aliens, the Civil War planet, and a host of other issues suggest that ST is, in fact, a fantasy universe using sf trappings, and thus has its own rules.)</p><p></p><p>It may be that you are having difficulty seperating the ST universe from the RW universe. Just as whatever happens in the RW universe is data that aids one in creating a model of the RW universe, whatever happens in the ST universe is data that aids one in creating a model of the ST universe.</p><p></p><p>The ST universe is clearly not the RW universe. Claiming that what happens in the ST universe is not data in regards to the ST universe is, IMHO, nonsensical. </p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3700843, member: 18280"] In terms of the people writing the show, assuming that they meant the program to follow the same rules as the real universe, yes. In terms of what the program demonstrates about the rules of the universe it takes place in, no. Retconning stories and speculation about the universe in which they take place, IMHO, requires that you first accept what happens in the story as data, and then use that data to determine what it implies about that story's universe. For example, in LotR there are elves and orcs. While you can simply say that this is scientific ignorance, because there are no elves or orcs in the real world, saying so tells you nothing about the world in which LotR takes place. Likewise, you can simply say that Spock cannot exist in the ST universe, but as Spock does exist in the ST universe, saying so tells you nothing about the universe in which ST takes place. (It might tell you something about the writers, though, if the basic assumption of attempted scientific accuract is a correct assumption....omnipotent aliens, the Civil War planet, and a host of other issues suggest that ST is, in fact, a fantasy universe using sf trappings, and thus has its own rules.) It may be that you are having difficulty seperating the ST universe from the RW universe. Just as whatever happens in the RW universe is data that aids one in creating a model of the RW universe, whatever happens in the ST universe is data that aids one in creating a model of the ST universe. The ST universe is clearly not the RW universe. Claiming that what happens in the ST universe is not data in regards to the ST universe is, IMHO, nonsensical. RC [/QUOTE]
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