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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 8310525" data-attributes="member: 6687260">I think making King Azoun 20th level is silly, but a lot of things in D&amp;D are somewhat silly.But in many ways higher level important NPCs are a consequence of the rules.&nbsp; If King Azoun is a 1st level Fighter a Bard with Expertise can just lie to his face.&nbsp; If he's say 10th level, then he at least has a proficiency bonus to fall back on, so that lying to him is a risk. You don't have to stat him up, but if he doesn't follow the basic arc of the rules then things will feel arbritrary to many players.And ultimately Azoun is vulnerable to assassination by teleportation and the like.&nbsp; If he is not himself a high level Fighter he's going to have at least one on staff (the question then becomes not how high level is the king, but how high level is his body guard).&nbsp; The king is also going to have a wizard. These are valid worldbuilding concerns to my mind (how high level does a king's bodyguard and a king's wizard have to be to maintain the plausibility of his rule?).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 8310525, member: 6687260"] I think making King Azoun 20th level is silly, but a lot of things in D&D are somewhat silly. But in many ways higher level important NPCs are a consequence of the rules. If King Azoun is a 1st level Fighter a Bard with Expertise can just lie to his face. If he's say 10th level, then he at least has a proficiency bonus to fall back on, so that lying to him is a risk. You don't have to stat him up, but if he doesn't follow the basic arc of the rules then things will feel arbritrary to many players. And ultimately Azoun is vulnerable to assassination by teleportation and the like. If he is not himself a high level Fighter he's going to have at least one on staff (the question then becomes not how high level is the king, but how high level is his body guard). The king is also going to have a wizard. These are valid worldbuilding concerns to my mind (how high level does a king's bodyguard and a king's wizard have to be to maintain the plausibility of his rule?). [/QUOTE]

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