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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8312580" data-attributes="member: 5889">So at the end of the day you are working around the following desires from your player base:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The desire to gain new abilities of worth (each level gets something &quot;decent&quot;)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The desire to gain new abilities &quot;often&quot; (levels come fairly quickly)</li>
</ul>So ideally you want a system that gives something &quot;reasonable&quot; at each level, and makes leveling quick enough to be fun. From there its really a question of how high you want the power to scale. Personally looking at most 5e classes they get a bit thin at the higher levels. I really think they could compress things into about 15 levels with more &quot;meaty&quot; abilities (and give the spellcasters a &quot;9th&quot; level spell as their capstone...similar to the warlock for 6th level spells).Then you can use epic boons if you want to add &quot;extra capstones&quot;....with Wish being one of those epic boons (Wish is really not a 9th level spell its more a 9.5 or 10). I like how in one of the older editions (I think it was BECMII but can't remember for sure)... while wizards got 9th level spells at X level.....they could not cast wish until they were the maximum 36th level. Aka that edition respected how powerful wish was and basically made it its own capstone power.I also do think part of the issue is the &quot;symmetrical&quot; nature of 3e that's been pushed into the later editions. Get a new prof bonus every X level, get a new ASI every Y levels, gain your full Hitpoints every level...etc. In older editions, your hitpoints stopped at a certain point, your spell power was not fully symmetrical, your saving throw progression was not symmetrical etc.You do want some consistency (it makes character and npc generation easier) but there is no reason after 9 or 10 levels the progression can't change to fit a better model, and that gives more flexibility on which level ranges to utilize.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8312580, member: 5889"] So at the end of the day you are working around the following desires from your player base: [LIST] [*]The desire to gain new abilities of worth (each level gets something "decent") [*]The desire to gain new abilities "often" (levels come fairly quickly) [/LIST] So ideally you want a system that gives something "reasonable" at each level, and makes leveling quick enough to be fun. From there its really a question of how high you want the power to scale. Personally looking at most 5e classes they get a bit thin at the higher levels. I really think they could compress things into about 15 levels with more "meaty" abilities (and give the spellcasters a "9th" level spell as their capstone...similar to the warlock for 6th level spells). Then you can use epic boons if you want to add "extra capstones"....with Wish being one of those epic boons (Wish is really not a 9th level spell its more a 9.5 or 10). I like how in one of the older editions (I think it was BECMII but can't remember for sure)... while wizards got 9th level spells at X level.....they could not cast wish until they were the maximum 36th level. Aka that edition respected how powerful wish was and basically made it its own capstone power. I also do think part of the issue is the "symmetrical" nature of 3e that's been pushed into the later editions. Get a new prof bonus every X level, get a new ASI every Y levels, gain your full Hitpoints every level...etc. In older editions, your hitpoints stopped at a certain point, your spell power was not fully symmetrical, your saving throw progression was not symmetrical etc. You do want some consistency (it makes character and npc generation easier) but there is no reason after 9 or 10 levels the progression can't change to fit a better model, and that gives more flexibility on which level ranges to utilize. [/QUOTE]

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