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<blockquote data-quote="Vaalingrade" data-source="post: 8699038" data-attributes="member: 82524"><p>What it is trying to do is engage the promise of the premise.</p><p></p><p>When people outside of the game hear 'fantasy', they picture warriors with mighty thews wrestling claymation dinosaurs to the ground and throwing their axes through elephants. They picture wizards throwing explosions the size of houses. They expect archers to shield surf like Legolas and shoot twenty orcs with one arrow. They picture EPIC feats and the kind of badassery that can only be expressed via electric guitar.</p><p></p><p>And... those expectations are being placed on a game born of the idea of sad, grubby adventurers barely eeking out an existence while avoiding fighting, interaction or anything that could be considered baddass on penalty of death and firmly rooted in low fantasy.</p><p></p><p>So they tried to make a progression from one to the other, but the system for the former doesn't scale to fit with the later. Even with the floor being raised in more recent editions, you still get their weird thing where the big, genre-defining stuff is kept at a trickle, but its very presence is enough to frustrate DMs who have been running the other type of game for 12 level now and have neither been warned nor given reason to expect the PCs are going to suddenly be badass beyond previous expectations... in fits and spurts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vaalingrade, post: 8699038, member: 82524"] What it is trying to do is engage the promise of the premise. When people outside of the game hear 'fantasy', they picture warriors with mighty thews wrestling claymation dinosaurs to the ground and throwing their axes through elephants. They picture wizards throwing explosions the size of houses. They expect archers to shield surf like Legolas and shoot twenty orcs with one arrow. They picture EPIC feats and the kind of badassery that can only be expressed via electric guitar. And... those expectations are being placed on a game born of the idea of sad, grubby adventurers barely eeking out an existence while avoiding fighting, interaction or anything that could be considered baddass on penalty of death and firmly rooted in low fantasy. So they tried to make a progression from one to the other, but the system for the former doesn't scale to fit with the later. Even with the floor being raised in more recent editions, you still get their weird thing where the big, genre-defining stuff is kept at a trickle, but its very presence is enough to frustrate DMs who have been running the other type of game for 12 level now and have neither been warned nor given reason to expect the PCs are going to suddenly be badass beyond previous expectations... in fits and spurts. [/QUOTE]
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