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Message: <blockquote data-quote="knasser" data-source="post: 7168490" data-attributes="member: 65151">Depends on the campaign setting. If magic is common, undead common, careers stalking into 10'x10' rooms to steal treasure is the norm, then maybe it's normal that a wizard in wizard school is told "undead are unaffected" as part of Invisibility 101. My setting is a lot more of a LotR, Wizard of Earthsea naturalistic setting filled with mysteries and PCs start out at first level just finding their way in the world. To me, watching a player that has routinely used Invisibility go quietly tip-toeing into a room of motionless skeletons only to have the PCs watching from outside panic as each skull turns silently as the invisible PC passes - and then to wonder how to alert their companion without making a noise. That's great fun. And it IS fair because the players had the opportunity to avoid it. At any point they could have stopped and asked "does Invisibility affect creatures without eyes?" It's a natural question which unless their characters have experience with undead before, is on them to think of. You're presuming a world where young wizards are familiar with how undead work. You're talking about a game where players have probably read the MM and work on assumptions of what creatures are like. Not all games are like that. Not all games should be.TL;DR: It's a fun and tense moment that the players could have anticipated but failed to. That's the perfect challenge.</blockquote>

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