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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DemonAtheist" data-source="post: 1741678" data-attributes="member: 17278">me and my friends had an argument similar to this, but the subject wasn't necromancy, it was n3crophilia (3 there because my comp has a word censor).  Can you come up with an objective reason why it is wrong?  It hurts no one, is certainly less of a crime than rap3, hell its not not consensual...so why do we have a gut reaction that says it must be wrong?take that farther: is anything objectively wrong?  How is        wrong if everyone dies eventually?  How is stealing wrong if material possessions cant be proven with laws that were made by man?  NOTHING can be proven objectively, including existence itself.Which is why all such things must be taken in context of culture, because otherwise everything is moot.  N3crophila is wrong because we say its wrong; circular yes but that's the true reason.  It stems from religious treatments of       and instincts of self preservation, but still.  Anything in the world of DnD has a further restriction in terms of morality...gods of dnd are provable and do exist.  They reward good and evil behavior, depending on their alignment.  The gods say necromancy is evil, which is only reinforced by the proven existence of souls/reincarnation/afterlife.  Taken in the context of THAT culture, necromancy is wrong.  It goes against good aligned gods (who decide what good is after all)(debatable if god exists in RL), it controls souls which DO exist (debatable in RL), and it prevents reincarnation.Not to mention the division between good and evil with clerics...clerics that cast cure spells dont raise      (typically), they cast inflict spells...that sounds evil to me.As far as liches go...theyre just evil.  Turning oneself undead raises far too many issues, might as well just label it evil and dodge the discussion.thats all from me</blockquote>

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