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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1745255" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>The same can be said for fire. Do you think that fire is evil?</p><p></p><p>It is used to hurt, to destroy, and to corrupt. It must be evil.</p><p></p><p>However, it is not. Nor is negative energy. Just because something is good at causing harm does not make it evil. A sword is not evil, yet it is used for killing.</p><p></p><p>Negative and positive energy are simply that, energies. They can be used for this or that, but they are very specialized. Two sides of a necissary coin to make the d&d universe run properly.</p><p></p><p>None of that makes negative energy or positive energy into any sort of good or evil in and of themselves. They can be 'used' for good or evil, but then either one can be used for either side, depending on the situation.</p><p></p><p>Remember, not everything that is not Evil is Good, and not everything that is not Good is Evil. There is neutral as well. Animals are neutral. Tools are neutral.</p><p></p><p>The forest fire that rages is not evil, it is not malign. It is killing and harming sure, but it is not evil. Whoever set it might be evil, but then they also might be good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Once again, negative energy is not evil. It is simply energy. If you would like some pure evil energy you will likely need to channel one of the evil planes or pull out the BoVD. Negative energy is merely a tool.</p><p></p><p>Also, animate dead does have a duration of instantaneous, nor does it create a link to the negative plane, so it is fairly momentary. Undead tend to move around just fine in an antimagic field. All it does is put in enough energy to run the body. That is all. It could use positive energy to do the same thing, there would be no difference effectively.</p><p></p><p>Enslavement of what though? If you animate your chair have you enslaved it? If you have a grove of trees are they enslaved? If you mow your lawn have you just caused great pain to your pile of slaves in your front yard?</p><p></p><p>Skeletons and zombies have no int, so they dont think much. But, before they were undead it might have been 'their' whim to be turned into undead. Even if it was not however, what does it matter? The soul is not burdened in any way, it is still free to roam its eternal rest. How is it any different to animate a tree or animate a dead creature? Besides that, I doubt that property rights really come into play, do you own anything in the mortal realm once you are no longer part of it?</p><p></p><p>As for the gem, it is the part that is destroyed (component, not a focus) and it starts off as a black onyx.. and we all know black = Evil. So maybe that is where the evil comes from. Monetary greed is evil, gems represent this. Black is evil, the gem is black. The gem turns into a worthless burnt out shell, so obviously something was taken from it. It must be its incredible amount of stored Evil.</p><p></p><p>From that perspetive it makes the most sense that the gem itself is providing the evil.</p><p></p><p>Of course in the game perspective it is the 'spell' that is doing it. Gems dont detect as evil and negative energy does not either. Neither the gem nor negative energy are evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can be called evil. Sure, I can call jaywalking evil as well but that does not make it so.</p><p></p><p>Most of the time these taboos come from things that would hurt the society, at least potentially. So they were told not to do them (law). Anyone who is doing this is breaking the law, hence the law/chaos axis. However, much of the time people have tried to equate law = Good and chaos = Evil.</p><p></p><p>Which is exactly what I said before. You are simply putting up people who have taken it to even further extremes. This merely reinforces my point.</p><p></p><p>Is killing someone evil or not? Depends on the circumstances, unless every paladin never lasts less than one session of d&d.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dictionary.com:</p><p>Disrespect:</p><p>Lack of respect, esteem, or courteous regard.</p><p>To show a lack of respect for: disrespected her elders; disrespected the law.</p><p>Want of respect or reverence; disesteem; incivility; discourtesy.</p><p>Impatience of bearing the least affront or disrespect. </p><p>an expression of lack of respect</p><p>a disrespectful mental attitude </p><p>a manner that is generally disrespectful and contemptuous</p><p>have little or no respect for; hold in contempt</p><p></p><p>All in all I would have to say that you are wrong about your view on disrespect.</p><p></p><p>Disrepect can be as simple as my thinking of someone and not having respect for them. It can be openly showing no respect. If someone walks by a homeless person on the road and ignores them they are showing disrespect. If someone asks a question that another consideres uncourteous then disrespect has been shown. Challenging someone to a dual in front of their peers? disrespectful in some circles.</p><p></p><p>Also, freedom of speech is a pretty new concept as well. So you are saying that just about every ruler ever has been Evil?</p><p></p><p>Once again, even thinking about having a lack of respect to someone is disrespectful. At that point, and with the definition given before, everyone is evil.</p><p></p><p>In other words, the definition about disrespect being evil seems very wrong indeed. Otherwise, there are likely no good people.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is inflamatory and insulting. Please stay away from this sort of post in the future. I would prefer not to have to report such things, but another one like this and I will be forced to ;/</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1745255, member: 5777"] The same can be said for fire. Do you think that fire is evil? It is used to hurt, to destroy, and to corrupt. It must be evil. However, it is not. Nor is negative energy. Just because something is good at causing harm does not make it evil. A sword is not evil, yet it is used for killing. Negative and positive energy are simply that, energies. They can be used for this or that, but they are very specialized. Two sides of a necissary coin to make the d&d universe run properly. None of that makes negative energy or positive energy into any sort of good or evil in and of themselves. They can be 'used' for good or evil, but then either one can be used for either side, depending on the situation. Remember, not everything that is not Evil is Good, and not everything that is not Good is Evil. There is neutral as well. Animals are neutral. Tools are neutral. The forest fire that rages is not evil, it is not malign. It is killing and harming sure, but it is not evil. Whoever set it might be evil, but then they also might be good. Once again, negative energy is not evil. It is simply energy. If you would like some pure evil energy you will likely need to channel one of the evil planes or pull out the BoVD. Negative energy is merely a tool. Also, animate dead does have a duration of instantaneous, nor does it create a link to the negative plane, so it is fairly momentary. Undead tend to move around just fine in an antimagic field. All it does is put in enough energy to run the body. That is all. It could use positive energy to do the same thing, there would be no difference effectively. Enslavement of what though? If you animate your chair have you enslaved it? If you have a grove of trees are they enslaved? If you mow your lawn have you just caused great pain to your pile of slaves in your front yard? Skeletons and zombies have no int, so they dont think much. But, before they were undead it might have been 'their' whim to be turned into undead. Even if it was not however, what does it matter? The soul is not burdened in any way, it is still free to roam its eternal rest. How is it any different to animate a tree or animate a dead creature? Besides that, I doubt that property rights really come into play, do you own anything in the mortal realm once you are no longer part of it? As for the gem, it is the part that is destroyed (component, not a focus) and it starts off as a black onyx.. and we all know black = Evil. So maybe that is where the evil comes from. Monetary greed is evil, gems represent this. Black is evil, the gem is black. The gem turns into a worthless burnt out shell, so obviously something was taken from it. It must be its incredible amount of stored Evil. From that perspetive it makes the most sense that the gem itself is providing the evil. Of course in the game perspective it is the 'spell' that is doing it. Gems dont detect as evil and negative energy does not either. Neither the gem nor negative energy are evil. Can be called evil. Sure, I can call jaywalking evil as well but that does not make it so. Most of the time these taboos come from things that would hurt the society, at least potentially. So they were told not to do them (law). Anyone who is doing this is breaking the law, hence the law/chaos axis. However, much of the time people have tried to equate law = Good and chaos = Evil. Which is exactly what I said before. You are simply putting up people who have taken it to even further extremes. This merely reinforces my point. Is killing someone evil or not? Depends on the circumstances, unless every paladin never lasts less than one session of d&d. Dictionary.com: Disrespect: Lack of respect, esteem, or courteous regard. To show a lack of respect for: disrespected her elders; disrespected the law. Want of respect or reverence; disesteem; incivility; discourtesy. Impatience of bearing the least affront or disrespect. an expression of lack of respect a disrespectful mental attitude a manner that is generally disrespectful and contemptuous have little or no respect for; hold in contempt All in all I would have to say that you are wrong about your view on disrespect. Disrepect can be as simple as my thinking of someone and not having respect for them. It can be openly showing no respect. If someone walks by a homeless person on the road and ignores them they are showing disrespect. If someone asks a question that another consideres uncourteous then disrespect has been shown. Challenging someone to a dual in front of their peers? disrespectful in some circles. Also, freedom of speech is a pretty new concept as well. So you are saying that just about every ruler ever has been Evil? Once again, even thinking about having a lack of respect to someone is disrespectful. At that point, and with the definition given before, everyone is evil. In other words, the definition about disrespect being evil seems very wrong indeed. Otherwise, there are likely no good people. This is inflamatory and insulting. Please stay away from this sort of post in the future. I would prefer not to have to report such things, but another one like this and I will be forced to ;/ [/QUOTE]
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