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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1754140" data-attributes="member: 5777">Undead are generally powered by the negative material plane, sure. But then some are powered by the positive material plane (more in 2nd edition than I have seen in 3rd, but still).Holy water is again with the cleric which is again with the undead creation (which clerics are the best at over all casters). Holy water has the 'good' descriptor because good clerics make it and it hurts undead who are powered by the negative material plane.Someone can be killed by a million negative energy levels and yet still go to the afterlife. No mention of it destroying the soul.SRD:Energy Drain (Su): This attack saps a living opponent’s vital energy This really isnt that much different than any other damaging attack. Certainly no different than poison (which work under incredibly similar circumstances).While the book of exalted deeds (and possibly book of vile darkness as well) define poison as evil those references are simply wrong. It is generally unlawful (hence why the paladin cannot use it), but it is no more evil than hitting someone with a burning torch or with your sword. Merely another way of dealing damage.Actually, mindless undead 'are' listed as evil. Which is a further contradiction. something within a mind, and therefore cannot have intent or thought processes (even less than animals, which are neutral), has an alignment other than neutral.Also, I still see no reason for evil to have been done to the 'soul imprint'. I read those arguements earlier but they seemed to be a lot of guesswork. Why does it have to be a soul imprint? why cant it just be knowledge retained in the brain? Not necissarily having any connection at all with the soul.Anyway though, my comments about negative energy benig the same as fire stem from the fact that how one is described can generally fit the other. Both destroy. Both cause pain. Both can be used for evil.So, if someone says, 'but it kills! it must be evil!' then I'll say, 'then you believe fire is evil'. But thinking that fire is evil I believe most people would see as nonsensical, hence why it needs to be said.Good clerics tend to use positive energy. Evil clerics tend to use negative energy. This does not make either of those good or evil anymore than monks usually useing their unnarmed strikes makes those attacks generally lawful (eventually they get lawful ki strike of course, but that is neither here nor there, useing ones fists is not inherantly 'lawful' because a lawful class uses them often)</blockquote>

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