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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 1755069" data-attributes="member: 20805">Boiled down and parsed..I think I have figured out where the issue is here.Its a question of whether Evil is a relativistic/subjective aspect of moral choice or actually exists as 'pure' Evil.DnD assumes 'pure' Evil exists. The rules support this assumption. There are acts and things that are Evil. Most of these are contrary to the conventional 'Hero' archtype that the PC is supposedly trying to be.But.. I actually had something new to add to the discussion (besides me getting sniped at by Raven for my CP2020 username <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  BTW, thanks for the catch on those spells.. I usually run a low magic game and have never actually used them in play! )Fire is not Evil because it is a tool that can be used for both Good and Evil. It can kill, hurt, and destroy. It can provide warmth, comfort, and be used to cook food.Negative Energy cannot be used for Good. All it can do is kill, hurt, and destroy.  And before you say that you can use Undead for good by protecting a village..let me avoid that tangent, that is using the Undead.. not the Negative Energy. The position to defend is if the element itself is either Good or Evil.Therefore, as DnD's Evil is an actual force, and Negative Energy is imbued with this actual force, any use of it taints the user and the product of the use. This means any Undead created with the available spells is automatically tainted with Evil.===========Danny: I think your argument is stemming from your belief of Good and Evil in the Real World (tm).  While that would be an interesting discussion over things like the misconstrued 'omnibenevolent' deal , one that would surely get a couple feathers ruffled, this thread is on why DnD's Undead are considered to be Evil. Having read the entire thread I have seen many of the same arguments from both sides and very little consession on either. It seems that the discussion has wandered off-track, with one side still arguing the "Why of the DnD RAW" and the other side arguing "It shouldn't work like that".Tuzenbach: "Isn't it destruction that's evil, not creation?" A common theme is storytelling is about 'Man' attempting to take over the job of 'God' by creating Life. Read Frankenstien and other similar Golum stories. In the black and white world of DnD, this concept is included as part of the archtypical story. Hence creation the of Undead is a blasphemous and Evil act.</blockquote>

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