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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 1756954" data-attributes="member: 20805">RW vs DnD Posit. A newborn NightMare is immediately teleported to the Prime Material plane. What has it done that fits contagion or a philosophy requiring posthumous repentence for evil acts not repented for in life?The Feinds do not choose to be born on an Evil plane, but because of that they gain the Evil subtype. This is a base nature that cannot be removed by alignment changes. Perhaps you can get into the Karma/reincarnation stuff...But yet again, you are "..arguing from RW religious theory, mythology, legends, and fiction, just like everyone else. After all, those are the sources for the game in the first place." While the 'source' of Fiends are 'based' on Satan/Devil, so was the movie 'Starship Troopers' 'based' on the book of the same name. I am arguing from the viewpoint of a reality where Evil is. Not a situational ethics thing. Not Karmic thing. Nothing of that sort is in the RAW, but Evil is. Something that Good fights against. Something for Heroic characters to test thier mettle against and defeat in glorious battle.In this reality, Undead are Evil because they: Disrupt the natural order of things, destroy the future of the deceased soul, are "easier and faster" (to quote a certain 900 year old puppet). IMHO, Negative Energy should be Evil. All uses of this energy should carry a taint of that Evil, the creater the use, the more the taint. As to with Positive Energy. These Energies do not have real world equivilents, unless you want to delve into real world religion topics and claim they are the will of God/Kali or whoever. You are right, the RAW is very arbitrary in this regard and probably needs to have someone review its entire scope to ensure that Evil has its place, is neatly defined and compartmentalized. Or is it the place of a general setting to clarify Evil in this manner? Having looked over the SRD in regards to the Evil subtype, the Skeleton and Zombie templates actually remove all alignment subtypes. So a Skeletal Fiend would not be Evil, just aligned NE ... interesting. Lich's, Mummy's, and Vampire's descriptions do not reference removal of alignment subtypes, so you could have an Good typed, CE Vampire....even more interesting.</blockquote>

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