Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Why does Undead=Evil
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 1762510" data-attributes="member: 20805"><p><strong>Again?</strong></p><p></p><p>"Why, in DnD RAW, are Undead = Evil"?</p><p></p><p>Because, in DnD Raw, the only way to create them is Evil and makes them that way.</p><p></p><p>Unless we all can crawl into the designer's minds and have a great mind-meld communal discovery, that is the best we are left with. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps it has to do with the game balance of being able to Smite them.</p><p>Perhaps it has to do with an unwritten Evil taint to negative energy.</p><p>Perhaps it has to do with certain designer's watching the Night of the Living Dead too much.</p><p></p><p>My best interpretation is that there is an Evil taint to negative energy. Some applications provide a strong enough link to alter the targets/casters alignment. Some do not.</p><p> Creating undead, with the current spells available, usually causes irrepairable harm to the soul of the corpse. This act is Evil. Whether this act can affect the casters alignment is up to the DM.</p><p></p><p>Back off tangent: </p><p> 'Mindless' undead are creatures with alignments. What alignment fits thier actions? (SRD extracts)</p><p> Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.</p><p> Evil characters simply have no compassion for others.</p><p> Neutral characters have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others</p><p></p><p>Of the three, which makes sense? Evil.</p><p></p><p>But, you say, "Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral rather than good or evil."</p><p>A> Speak with dead: The spell description reads, in part: "If the creature’s alignment was different from yours, the corpse gets a Will save to resist the spell as if it were alive." </p><p> Is this an action based on a morals (alignment)? If so, then a Corpse, due to having once been alive, can have an alignment other than nuetral based on its moral action.</p><p></p><p>B> Oft noted are the Good undead. They can only exist if Undead can act on its morals. Hence, mindless undead will naturally fall into the category of Evil.</p><p></p><p>So, either you must declare all undead to be Nuetral, or allow some udead to be Good while most will be Evil.</p><p> Doing the latter, casting a spell that will probably create an Evil being would be Evil itself.</p><p></p><p> Hmm, perhaps thats how they came up with this <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 1762510, member: 20805"] [b]Again?[/b] "Why, in DnD RAW, are Undead = Evil"? Because, in DnD Raw, the only way to create them is Evil and makes them that way. Unless we all can crawl into the designer's minds and have a great mind-meld communal discovery, that is the best we are left with. Perhaps it has to do with the game balance of being able to Smite them. Perhaps it has to do with an unwritten Evil taint to negative energy. Perhaps it has to do with certain designer's watching the Night of the Living Dead too much. My best interpretation is that there is an Evil taint to negative energy. Some applications provide a strong enough link to alter the targets/casters alignment. Some do not. Creating undead, with the current spells available, usually causes irrepairable harm to the soul of the corpse. This act is Evil. Whether this act can affect the casters alignment is up to the DM. Back off tangent: 'Mindless' undead are creatures with alignments. What alignment fits thier actions? (SRD extracts) Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others. Evil characters simply have no compassion for others. Neutral characters have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others Of the three, which makes sense? Evil. But, you say, "Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral rather than good or evil." A> Speak with dead: The spell description reads, in part: "If the creature’s alignment was different from yours, the corpse gets a Will save to resist the spell as if it were alive." Is this an action based on a morals (alignment)? If so, then a Corpse, due to having once been alive, can have an alignment other than nuetral based on its moral action. B> Oft noted are the Good undead. They can only exist if Undead can act on its morals. Hence, mindless undead will naturally fall into the category of Evil. So, either you must declare all undead to be Nuetral, or allow some udead to be Good while most will be Evil. Doing the latter, casting a spell that will probably create an Evil being would be Evil itself. Hmm, perhaps thats how they came up with this :) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Why does Undead=Evil
Top