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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7850047" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>I've come to rather the opposite conclusion over time: 4e isn't quite as huddled all in Tier 3 as we long thought. Yeah, it's neatly balanced in resources (pre-E) & class roles &c, but, between having run with eClasses well into Epic, and seeing certain classes struggle for out of combat relevance even in the structure of skill challenges, I have to admit there's some bleed out of that ideal.</p><p>5e, OTOH, though it does necessarily, and intentionally evoking past editions as it set out to, restore LFQW and Tier 1 (and then some) casting and the like, because they've just been part of D&D so long, <em>does</em> avoid Tier 6 (in itself, a meaningful design accomplishment, because it's not just 'weak' or 'ineffective' it's just plain flubbed), and Tier 5 is rather lonely, but that's as much as I can grant it in good conscience.</p><p>But it's not that the spread between Tier 1 classes and Tier 5 sub-classes is any narrower than in 3e, it's that the distribution is different, there are more Tier 2 & classes, and classes that used to languish in a lower Tier instead have sub-classes splayed among Tiers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7850047, member: 996"] I've come to rather the opposite conclusion over time: 4e isn't quite as huddled all in Tier 3 as we long thought. Yeah, it's neatly balanced in resources (pre-E) & class roles &c, but, between having run with eClasses well into Epic, and seeing certain classes struggle for out of combat relevance even in the structure of skill challenges, I have to admit there's some bleed out of that ideal. 5e, OTOH, though it does necessarily, and intentionally evoking past editions as it set out to, restore LFQW and Tier 1 (and then some) casting and the like, because they've just been part of D&D so long, [I]does[/I] avoid Tier 6 (in itself, a meaningful design accomplishment, because it's not just 'weak' or 'ineffective' it's just plain flubbed), and Tier 5 is rather lonely, but that's as much as I can grant it in good conscience. But it's not that the spread between Tier 1 classes and Tier 5 sub-classes is any narrower than in 3e, it's that the distribution is different, there are more Tier 2 & classes, and classes that used to languish in a lower Tier instead have sub-classes splayed among Tiers. [/QUOTE]
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