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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7850166" data-attributes="member: 6750235">One of the classic bard tropes is the lore master, stemming from the classic version.  There is nothing messed up about that.  It's not even default and needs to be done by choice but it's definitely a thing.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The rogue is a special case because they don't have proficiency so they don't have expertise so they cannot possibly compete.  There's an exception that rule by specific build but that's taking a skill outside of the class to focus on, not the rogue class.Expertise is exceptional training beyond what is needed.  Proficiency represents what might be needed to be knowledgable in a given field.This is what arcana gives:"Arcana. Your Intelligence (Arcana) check measures your ability to recall lore about spells, magic items, eldritch symbols, magical traditions, the planes of existence, and the inhabitants of those planes."That's not the fundamental laws of magic.  It's plain old knowledge.  Expertise is a greater ability to remember in this case, likely through mnemonic memorization techniques or such or just exceptional study beyond learning the information.  Higher DC's is just rarer information and still has nothing to do with the ability to cast spells."A spell is a discrete magical effect, a single shaping of the magical energies that suffuse the multiverse into a specific, limited expression."Wizards don't need to know that necromancy was practised in the a certain valley in Thay or the reproduction of Slaadi to cast spells, but that's what expertise in arcana is going to give.Druids don't need to recall that the sparkled land anemone can be found in cave on Mount Blunt in order to draw power from nature and cast spells.  Clerics don't need to know the cult of Bombassa practices ritual sacrifice of camels in order to pray or cast spells.  That's what proficiency and expertise gives.You've created a false equivalency between lore and ability to match your perception of what the classes should be.  Lore and spell casting are not the same thing.</blockquote>

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