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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 7851289" data-attributes="member: 6920677"><p>In 40 years of playing in this hobby, in my experience by 5th level at least one Magic Weapon has been found, and one adversary is wearing Plate Mail. </p><p></p><p>So I disagree with the assertion that 5e assumes the PCs buy their Plate Mail. It does not suggest that limitation in the DMG. Respectfully that assertion is quite subjective.</p><p></p><p>As an aside when 5e came out I rolled all treasure randomly, to kick the systems tires as it were, and with some lucky rolls for a treasure hoard, at 3rd level; a set of Mariners Plate was in a well defended hoard.</p><p></p><p>The hoard was not taken, but in those hoary days of 2014, when the game was new....I’m sure I am not the only DM that had something similar happen.</p><p>( as an aside Plate Armor is probably too much AC even at 5th lvl in 5e)</p><p></p><p>A quick glance at the published official adventures would also support that by 5th lvl plate mail looting opportunities exist.</p><p></p><p>As for stating that Wizards do not need to scribe spells into their Spellbooks....that is true, </p><p>but that undercuts the soundness of your argument regarding the unalterable uber -ness of wizard versatility. </p><p></p><p>In this case the Wizard has a practical spell book/ list maximum of 44 spells, versus the 102 so spells on the Druid spell list in the PHB. The Cleric has about the same number, just using column size as a comparison( i’m not counting). The Paladin has 55 spells on their list. </p><p></p><p>Assuming the Bard and Sorcerer have between 80 to 100 spells on their respective class spell lists, this means that a non scribbling wizard is significantly LESS versatile than a UA Bard or Sorc, on the basis of aggregate number of spells to chose from practically on a day.</p><p></p><p>As things currently stand, a Wizard must scribe 12 spells to have more spells in their spellbook, than a half-caster Pally has on their spell list. The UA rules put Bards and Sorc in the same category as Divine Casters.....way more spells to chose from than the wiz has in their book.</p><p></p><p>So, no Wizards are the only class that is expected to pay gold for a class feature.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, the Aggregate Spell list numbers shreds the versatility arguments that people have been bandying about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 7851289, member: 6920677"] In 40 years of playing in this hobby, in my experience by 5th level at least one Magic Weapon has been found, and one adversary is wearing Plate Mail. So I disagree with the assertion that 5e assumes the PCs buy their Plate Mail. It does not suggest that limitation in the DMG. Respectfully that assertion is quite subjective. As an aside when 5e came out I rolled all treasure randomly, to kick the systems tires as it were, and with some lucky rolls for a treasure hoard, at 3rd level; a set of Mariners Plate was in a well defended hoard. The hoard was not taken, but in those hoary days of 2014, when the game was new....I’m sure I am not the only DM that had something similar happen. ( as an aside Plate Armor is probably too much AC even at 5th lvl in 5e) A quick glance at the published official adventures would also support that by 5th lvl plate mail looting opportunities exist. As for stating that Wizards do not need to scribe spells into their Spellbooks....that is true, but that undercuts the soundness of your argument regarding the unalterable uber -ness of wizard versatility. In this case the Wizard has a practical spell book/ list maximum of 44 spells, versus the 102 so spells on the Druid spell list in the PHB. The Cleric has about the same number, just using column size as a comparison( i’m not counting). The Paladin has 55 spells on their list. Assuming the Bard and Sorcerer have between 80 to 100 spells on their respective class spell lists, this means that a non scribbling wizard is significantly LESS versatile than a UA Bard or Sorc, on the basis of aggregate number of spells to chose from practically on a day. As things currently stand, a Wizard must scribe 12 spells to have more spells in their spellbook, than a half-caster Pally has on their spell list. The UA rules put Bards and Sorc in the same category as Divine Casters.....way more spells to chose from than the wiz has in their book. So, no Wizards are the only class that is expected to pay gold for a class feature. Sorry, the Aggregate Spell list numbers shreds the versatility arguments that people have been bandying about. [/QUOTE]
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