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Why does WotC put obviously bad or illogical elements in their adventures?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7183652" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>Okay, to start with, being able to come up with a reason for an illogical situation by adding new information doesn't actually make the initial conditions logical. You've now changed the state of things. Hill giant guards for the Storm Giant royal family is illogical without additional information, information that is completely absent in a 'didn't even think about it' way and not in a 'it's a mystery for the DM to build on' way. That you are willing to do the work and provide additional information to make this weirdness work is a mark in your favor, but doesn't correct the adventure's bad presentation.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, you seem to have taken great offense to people disagreeing with you. I recommend thinker skin.</p><p></p><p>And, finally, I've carved this bit out:</p><p></p><p>Really? Of course I started thinking about my response while I was reading through your post. Everyone does. No one can read a post and not think about it as they read it, either agreeing or disagreeing with parts, and, if they intend to respond, forming at least the start of their points. It's absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and beyond ridiculous to try to hold other people to that as a barometer of their honest engagement. Because everyone fails that test. Everyone.</p><p></p><p>And, aside from that, just finishing your post doesn't, in any way, preclude arguing for points. Your claim is orthogonal to your supposed goals -- honest, considered, thought about posts can start from addressing points individually as you read and nasty, point-scoring, vitriolic posts can read the whole thing before starting. You need to think through your model of how people post a bit more and maybe, just maybe, go with a model of assuming good intent until conclusively proven otherwise. That's not easy, goodness knows I try and fail on occasion, but it's still a better target than telling people that thought about how'd they'd respond to your first point before getting to your last, especially in a post that has points that aren't each built upon the last.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7183652, member: 16814"] Okay, to start with, being able to come up with a reason for an illogical situation by adding new information doesn't actually make the initial conditions logical. You've now changed the state of things. Hill giant guards for the Storm Giant royal family is illogical without additional information, information that is completely absent in a 'didn't even think about it' way and not in a 'it's a mystery for the DM to build on' way. That you are willing to do the work and provide additional information to make this weirdness work is a mark in your favor, but doesn't correct the adventure's bad presentation. Secondly, you seem to have taken great offense to people disagreeing with you. I recommend thinker skin. And, finally, I've carved this bit out: Really? Of course I started thinking about my response while I was reading through your post. Everyone does. No one can read a post and not think about it as they read it, either agreeing or disagreeing with parts, and, if they intend to respond, forming at least the start of their points. It's absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and beyond ridiculous to try to hold other people to that as a barometer of their honest engagement. Because everyone fails that test. Everyone. And, aside from that, just finishing your post doesn't, in any way, preclude arguing for points. Your claim is orthogonal to your supposed goals -- honest, considered, thought about posts can start from addressing points individually as you read and nasty, point-scoring, vitriolic posts can read the whole thing before starting. You need to think through your model of how people post a bit more and maybe, just maybe, go with a model of assuming good intent until conclusively proven otherwise. That's not easy, goodness knows I try and fail on occasion, but it's still a better target than telling people that thought about how'd they'd respond to your first point before getting to your last, especially in a post that has points that aren't each built upon the last. [/QUOTE]
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