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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7195231" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>No, it doesn't hold weight. Looking at what actually made into the module holds weight. And nothing about Lear or Leir except a king with three daughters is in SKT. Lear is fundamentally about the folly of Lear and the greed of his eldest daughters. SKT is fundamentally about a divine social structure being upended, and a dragon taking advantage to prevent the storm giants from quelling the strife among giants. I broke it out above, and haven't seen anyone actually dispute the plotting comparison. So, if they based it on Lear, but all they took was that a king, not even the one that kicks events off, but a king has three daughters that are important for 2 of the last 3 chapters of a 12 chapter adventure, it's super hard to actually say that they based it on Lear. It has almost, but not quite, entirely nothing to do with Lear -- or Leir, and I'm pretty sure WotC didn't dust of some pseudohistory book to find that and rip out a king with three daughters.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you want to say that Hekaton and his daughters are based on Lear, loosely, that narrow detail has some weight. That the eldest daughters are scheming for power in the absence of their father works, but the youngest never sat the throne at any point while this scheming went on. And the scheming is pretty garden variety opportunism, with none of the depth of depravity and lack of scruple present in the play. So, family structure of Hekaton based loosely on Lear? Sure, but that's the end of it. No plot points hinge on anything from Lear, and the actual setup is very different from anything in Lear. In fact, the adventure states flat out that Hekaton saw his eldest as unfit to the throne and so cut them out -- a far cry from the foolish Lear that gave away his kingdom for flattery.</p><p></p><p>Claims of actually basing SKT on King Lear turn out to be less than expected. In fact, attempting to do so is like saying Harry Potter is based on Tarzan, because they're both orphans.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7195231, member: 16814"] No, it doesn't hold weight. Looking at what actually made into the module holds weight. And nothing about Lear or Leir except a king with three daughters is in SKT. Lear is fundamentally about the folly of Lear and the greed of his eldest daughters. SKT is fundamentally about a divine social structure being upended, and a dragon taking advantage to prevent the storm giants from quelling the strife among giants. I broke it out above, and haven't seen anyone actually dispute the plotting comparison. So, if they based it on Lear, but all they took was that a king, not even the one that kicks events off, but a king has three daughters that are important for 2 of the last 3 chapters of a 12 chapter adventure, it's super hard to actually say that they based it on Lear. It has almost, but not quite, entirely nothing to do with Lear -- or Leir, and I'm pretty sure WotC didn't dust of some pseudohistory book to find that and rip out a king with three daughters. Now, if you want to say that Hekaton and his daughters are based on Lear, loosely, that narrow detail has some weight. That the eldest daughters are scheming for power in the absence of their father works, but the youngest never sat the throne at any point while this scheming went on. And the scheming is pretty garden variety opportunism, with none of the depth of depravity and lack of scruple present in the play. So, family structure of Hekaton based loosely on Lear? Sure, but that's the end of it. No plot points hinge on anything from Lear, and the actual setup is very different from anything in Lear. In fact, the adventure states flat out that Hekaton saw his eldest as unfit to the throne and so cut them out -- a far cry from the foolish Lear that gave away his kingdom for flattery. Claims of actually basing SKT on King Lear turn out to be less than expected. In fact, attempting to do so is like saying Harry Potter is based on Tarzan, because they're both orphans. [/QUOTE]
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