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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7195693" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I'd forgotten about that flattery contest, been a few too many years since I read King Lear I guess. I know I'm jumping into this really late, but, I have to say that I agree with inconsistent parts of an adventure annoying me. The difference I think though is that the ease of fixing things makes it worse. I like the idea that the hill giants are the diplomatic envoy who were given guard duty, that's clever and I think I could work with that. Heck, given the political nature of the adventure, that gives lots of opportunities for the players to muck things up. So why didn't they add that detail? It wouldn't be hard, it'd take adding in four words at least, maybe an extra sentence or two at most. &quot;Tug and Cog, the hill giant diplomats, are guarding the door.&quot;Done. We know Hill giants are looked down upon by the other giants, it makes sense for this menial duty to be the &quot;high honor&quot; bestowed upon the diplomats, and if the players can figure out that these two are the diplomats they can be clever in causing an uproar to distract from their own antics. Four words, and the possibilities are opened, but if we just have dumb guards for no reason other than &quot;dumb guards are easy to fool so the players don't have to fight&quot; then... that doesn't work for me. And I think another problem is that these giants are described as &quot;exceedingly stupid&quot; which, for hill giants, means they are incredibly easy to fool. Any half-way decent lie is going to be enough to get past them. For a late arc challenge, I'd expect to have to do a bit more than say &quot;The Princess ordered us to get something, but it's a surprise so she didn't tell you&quot; I mean this is the big build up point, shouldn't it be more difficult than that even with the adventure design mind-set as opposed to the story-line mindset?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7195693, member: 6801228"] I'd forgotten about that flattery contest, been a few too many years since I read King Lear I guess. I know I'm jumping into this really late, but, I have to say that I agree with inconsistent parts of an adventure annoying me. The difference I think though is that the ease of fixing things makes it worse. I like the idea that the hill giants are the diplomatic envoy who were given guard duty, that's clever and I think I could work with that. Heck, given the political nature of the adventure, that gives lots of opportunities for the players to muck things up. [B]So why didn't they add that detail?[/B] It wouldn't be hard, it'd take adding in four words at least, maybe an extra sentence or two at most. "Tug and Cog, the hill giant diplomats, are guarding the door." Done. We know Hill giants are looked down upon by the other giants, it makes sense for this menial duty to be the "high honor" bestowed upon the diplomats, and if the players can figure out that these two are the diplomats they can be clever in causing an uproar to distract from their own antics. Four words, and the possibilities are opened, but if we just have dumb guards for no reason other than "dumb guards are easy to fool so the players don't have to fight" then... that doesn't work for me. And I think another problem is that these giants are described as "exceedingly stupid" which, for hill giants, means they are incredibly easy to fool. Any half-way decent lie is going to be enough to get past them. For a late arc challenge, I'd expect to have to do a bit more than say "The Princess ordered us to get something, but it's a surprise so she didn't tell you" I mean this is the big build up point, shouldn't it be more difficult than that even with the adventure design mind-set as opposed to the story-line mindset? [/QUOTE]

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