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<blockquote data-quote="Snoweel" data-source="post: 5104661" data-attributes="member: 4453">Yep my bad.You did say &quot;not fantasy&quot; but looking back I see I took you out of context (which was &quot;not fantasy or history/wargaming logic&quot;).Agreed.I agree to an extent, though I don't think you're giving the implied fluff enough credit - Radiant Blah, for example, doesn't have to exist. It exists to provide that trope of 'holy' smiting power, and mechanically it happens to be balanced.Radiant Blah (I do love that term) mightn't be the press-X-to-win button it was in previous editions (I refer to turning undead) but it is definitely unbalanced on an encounter-to-encounter basis (ie. it is stronger vs some enemies than against others). And I think that's good for the game. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, it's the asymmetries that have always given the game its flavour.I think creative fluffery and some reimagining of earlier D&amp;D assumptions can solve all of this.For example, it was 3.x that showed me that CHA can mean more than just how big a character's personality is. Using CHA in a melee attack could represent the Divine force behind a specially empowered character's (like a Paladin for instance) emotional strength, or some inner conduit to the Astral Sea or whatever.And I've always thought INT should aid in defence - I think INT is as good as DEX for representing a character's ability to anticipate threats; with only 6 ability scores, there has always been some overlap between which real-life qualities are represented by STR, DEX, CON, INT, WIS and CHA. For example, I think STR is the best determinant of running speed but I acknowledge most people will say it's DEX. I certainly don't think they're wrong.Did you have fun?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snoweel, post: 5104661, member: 4453"] Yep my bad. You did say "not fantasy" but looking back I see I took you out of context (which was "not fantasy or history/wargaming logic"). Agreed. I agree to an extent, though I don't think you're giving the implied fluff enough credit - Radiant Blah, for example, doesn't [b]have to[/b] exist. It exists to provide that trope of 'holy' smiting power, and mechanically it happens to be balanced. Radiant Blah (I do love that term) mightn't be the press-X-to-win button it was in previous editions (I refer to turning undead) but it is definitely unbalanced on an encounter-to-encounter basis (ie. it is stronger vs some enemies than against others). And I think that's good for the game. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, it's the asymmetries that have always given the game its flavour. I think creative fluffery and some reimagining of earlier D&D assumptions can solve all of this. For example, it was 3.x that showed me that CHA can mean more than just how big a character's personality is. Using CHA in a melee attack could represent the Divine force behind a specially empowered character's (like a Paladin for instance) emotional strength, or some inner conduit to the Astral Sea or whatever. And I've always thought INT should aid in defence - I think INT is as good as DEX for representing a character's ability to anticipate threats; with only 6 ability scores, there has always been some overlap between which real-life qualities are represented by STR, DEX, CON, INT, WIS and CHA. For example, I think STR is the best determinant of running speed but I acknowledge most people will say it's DEX. I certainly don't think they're [i]wrong[/i]. Did you have fun? [/QUOTE]

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