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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5490533" data-attributes="member: 78958">Two things to say to that:1. Levels in spellcasting classes count as non-associated for the purpose of calculating CR. So an Illithid Sorcerer 1 has a CR of 8, while an Illithid Sorcerer 2 would have a CR of 9.2. An NPC Illithid can likely only use his Mind Blast once, and his Charm Monster ability once, and so on. He's an encounter. He doesn't have much of a history, and if he's accompanied by extra monsters or has access to extra gear, those increase the encounter's EL.A PC Illithid is very, very likely to just Charm every damn thing to cross his path, Mind Blast his way through tons of powerful-but-weak-willed foes, abuse Astral Projection in connection with Plane Shift to make himself a duplicate body (thus becoming nigh unkillable), and so on. He's probably accompanied by a gang of charmed Giants, Hydras, and whatever else the DM previously threw at him. He's also in possession of the entire contents of the last half dozen shops he visited, gladly handed over to him by the charmed shopkeepers.This makes Illithid PCs vastly more powerful at the things PCs are expected to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5490533, member: 78958"] Two things to say to that: 1. Levels in spellcasting classes count as non-associated for the purpose of calculating CR. So an Illithid Sorcerer 1 has a CR of 8, while an Illithid Sorcerer 2 would have a CR of 9. 2. An NPC Illithid can likely only use his Mind Blast once, and his Charm Monster ability once, and so on. He's an encounter. He doesn't have much of a history, and if he's accompanied by extra monsters or has access to extra gear, those increase the encounter's EL. A PC Illithid is very, very likely to just Charm every damn thing to cross his path, Mind Blast his way through tons of powerful-but-weak-willed foes, abuse Astral Projection in connection with Plane Shift to make himself a duplicate body (thus becoming nigh unkillable), and so on. He's probably accompanied by a gang of charmed Giants, Hydras, and whatever else the DM previously threw at him. He's also in possession of the entire contents of the last half dozen shops he visited, gladly handed over to him by the charmed shopkeepers. This makes Illithid PCs vastly more powerful at the things PCs are expected to do. [/QUOTE]

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