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<blockquote data-quote="Wyvern" data-source="post: 7448270" data-attributes="member: 2374"><p>You don't have a "duty" to do anything here. You have the right and the freedom to be as rude and unhelpful as you like. Just as I have the right and the freedom to point out when I think that someone is being rude and unhelpful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Repeating something over and over is not the same as "making it clear". I get that you weren't talking about group checks as the book defines group checks. Nonetheless, what you described did involve multiple people making skill checks, and therefore the term "group check" is a term that could conceivably apply. If you object to that term, I would appreciate it if you would explain *why* you object to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I never said you were wrong about that. I was only trying to point out to you how Clayton might have innocently misunderstood what you had said.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You may not believe me, but I actually *did* do that. Initially, my post was going to end after the first paragraph. But then I reread your second post and began to see that what you were describing actually *did* mean something different from what Clayton took it to mean. I was trying to be helpful by clearing up the misunderstanding.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not explaining what you mean, I'm explaining what I *understood* your posts to mean. That's something that communication experts recommend: repeat back to the other person what you think it is they said, so that they can be sure that you understood them correctly. Now, if you think that I've misunderstood you, the *helpful* thing to do is to explain to me exactly *what* it is that I misunderstood. After all, if there's a discrepancy between what you said and what other people *think* you've said, then it means there's been a failure of communication.</p><p></p><p>Wyvern</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wyvern, post: 7448270, member: 2374"] You don't have a "duty" to do anything here. You have the right and the freedom to be as rude and unhelpful as you like. Just as I have the right and the freedom to point out when I think that someone is being rude and unhelpful. Repeating something over and over is not the same as "making it clear". I get that you weren't talking about group checks as the book defines group checks. Nonetheless, what you described did involve multiple people making skill checks, and therefore the term "group check" is a term that could conceivably apply. If you object to that term, I would appreciate it if you would explain *why* you object to it. Again, I never said you were wrong about that. I was only trying to point out to you how Clayton might have innocently misunderstood what you had said. You may not believe me, but I actually *did* do that. Initially, my post was going to end after the first paragraph. But then I reread your second post and began to see that what you were describing actually *did* mean something different from what Clayton took it to mean. I was trying to be helpful by clearing up the misunderstanding. I'm not explaining what you mean, I'm explaining what I *understood* your posts to mean. That's something that communication experts recommend: repeat back to the other person what you think it is they said, so that they can be sure that you understood them correctly. Now, if you think that I've misunderstood you, the *helpful* thing to do is to explain to me exactly *what* it is that I misunderstood. After all, if there's a discrepancy between what you said and what other people *think* you've said, then it means there's been a failure of communication. Wyvern [/QUOTE]
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