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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4678849" data-attributes="member: 2525">If initial sales at Amazon for 4e were stronger than initial sales at Amazon for 3.5e (which they were), you can draw some useful data from that.  It's not a full answer to your question, but it is a partial answer based on something objective.They had similar layoffs after 3e, and after 3.5e, and both of those layoffs were during better economic times.  So, unless you are saying those also had weak sales, I do not see how that is relevant to your point.It would not matter if it were a thousand polls.  Of course they result in the same answers.  That doesn't make them more accurate however.  As I said, they are internet polls, which are inherently unreliable.  They are self-selecting for responders, and disgruntled people are more likely to answer an internet poll they seek out than happy people who do not feel the same level of urge (on average) to seek out such a poll and express their opinion.  Do I really need to explain that internet polls are not accurate? Do I really need to point to all the articles on the topic, and how internet polls can never be relied on?Which represents, what, .00000000001% of FLGS hours?  Come on now, you know you cannot personally present your visits as representative.  They are not.  Heck, even if you OWNED 6 stores around the world, it would still not be representative of the world's game sales.  It's too big a set of data for your samples to be meaningful in any way. Heck, I am not even sure the bulk of WOTC products are even sold through FLGS anymore!You have no actual data to go on.  You've taken the classic hasty generalization position, and then accuse me of being pollyanna? I am not saying you are wrong or right, I am saying you have no basis for knowing if you are correct or not, nor do I beyond those two relatively minor actual data points (Amazon, and the WOTC employee statement regarding reprintings).  You have pretended that your non-data is actual representative information based on your personal opinion.  It's silly.  It's not something you would appreciate if someone else did that sort of thing in some other aspect of life. We have no idea if they gained or lost customers.  You going around claiming internet polls and your 6 visits to different game stores is some kind of proof of ~45% loss in customers is ridiculous.  Have a little respect for your fellow peers here, be completely honest with them, and just say it's your guess that they lost a lot of customers but you do not have anything firm to back that up.  Lets put an end to claims of hard numbers that are actually based on internet polls and your store visits.</blockquote>

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