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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahglock" data-source="post: 6890614" data-attributes="member: 56725">Then play a rogue or potentially a dex based battle master fighter. Like I said there is nothing wrong with the rogue class but unlike other classes one of the primary conceptual frameworks in fantasy sneaky dude doesn't have much to do with the rogue. They get a couple perks at it but sneaky is covered by skills. There are character ideas that the rogue class works for and is the best fit for. But I find that some people gravitate to the class because of the imagery of thief and not specific class features like evasion and sneak attack. When they really wanted fighter who could sneak and pick locks and in the case of the title they may really want wizard who can sneak or perhaps just a dip into rogue so they can use mage hand with thief skills. It's the only class I can think of where it's probably most iconic feature or concept is pretty much handled by a background. If I take a soldier background I'm not suddenly a effective fighter if I take acolyte I'm not a effective healer. But if I take criminal I'm actually a pretty good rogue or thief. So unless your character concept is actually tied to class features like sneak attack it might not be the right fit. I don't think it's a obvious thing so I check with my players first about what they are going for.</blockquote>