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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6084761">What does martial arts have to do with it?A fighter fights...fighting, trained or not, tends to make one more athletic rather than not.I'm pretty much a "average Joe" as far as anything is concerned, and I can climb a tree and swim just fine.  Most children practice tree-climbing, especially in societies without video games and the internet and they usually get fairly good at it.  Swimming has historically been a matter of necessity, people from coastal fishing societies generally know how, people from landlocked, prairies or mountainous regions with smaller water-sources don't.It's not like we're suggesting the Fighter needs a ton of skills, heck 4e only gave them 3 just like everyone else.  But on a shorter skill list, having some general skill in Athletics because waving a sword around and wearing heavy armor tends to melt the fat away, being imposing due to said muscular figure and sharp pointy sword, a maybe one other skill of choice rounds out a basic character pretty well.We cannot go down the road again in DDN of applying real-world rules to fighters while letting anyone with even a hit of magic being allowed to run rampant through the game with no restrictions.</blockquote>