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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 5077356" data-attributes="member: 50895">What about the historic Mongols?Ah, the Mongols practically took over Europe, they certainly took over the Mideast and Russia - if it weren't for the Khan to die in the homeland, Europe might have been a Mongol state, as Russia was for much of its history.How could they do this (hint) they had bows and were mounted archers. If the bow is such an inadequete RL weapon in combat, how could this have happened.Mongols didn't wear heavy armor, some had armor, many had no armor whatsoever. Mongols had several specialized types of long composite bow, one fired using your feet for super long distance ranges, followed by mounted archery, until they were really close, then some used javelins at close range.This occurred in the 14th century - the march into Europe. Armor in Europe, while not Maximillian armor was a plate-mail type construction, almost going to full plate - yet there was no stopping the Mongol Hordes from practically reaching Austria, they did sack Czechoslovakia.The entire Mongol military machine was dependant and horses and bows. Had their khans survived for the European campaigns to finish - Europe might have been a very different place.Point: bows have proven to be among the most effective weapons in military history - with many examples, the Mongol example is just one of them. The idea that bows "suck" in RL is simply false.GP</blockquote>