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<blockquote data-quote="ArchfiendBobbie" data-source="post: 7201925" data-attributes="member: 6867728"><p>Intelligent measures, among other things, mental acuity and information recall (according to the PHB). That and the fact that 3-18 are considered the human norm range covers knowledge; dragons are really no more knowledgeable than a really smart human.</p><p></p><p>As for age: One look at the white dragon's scores shows you that age doesn't automatically translate to massive intelligence. And if you've ever dealt with elderly humans enough, especially the less pleasant ones, you would know that age doesn't necessarily translate at all to wisdom.</p><p></p><p>What matters is what they've done in life. Someone who is twenty and spent their life in the Marines going from overseas base to overseas base is going to have a far better idea of the world than someone who's forty and never left their home state. As noted by the Monster Manual, most dragons are rather reclusive creatures by human standards, tending to have territory they maintain without interacting with the outside world as much. So, while they are far older, they don't experience as much of the world as the typical adventurer does. Which is reflected in the fact that, for the most part, their Int and Wis scores are good for a first-level character and easily exceeded by a PC with a few levels under their belt.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DnD, which is written by humans, has the state range based on humans, and tends to write most things from a human perspective.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your source is a nonscholarly discussion where what you say is refuted by some people within the discussion, including the most comprehensive answer saying that it's most likely the very thing you're discussing is a <em>symptom of neurological disorder</em> and not actual growth as a person.</p><p></p><p>You've refuted your own argument for me. I'm honestly at a loss as to what to say here. I'm...</p><p></p><p>Congrats. You managed to flabbergast me. I owe my GM twenty bucks now. i thought I had him in a true sucker's bet.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Washington, Putin, Steve Jobs, Linus Torvalds, Genghis Khan, more British kings than I thought reasonable (I could pretty much put "the entire history of the British monarchy" here and it wouldn't be that far from the truth), Emperor Nero, um... Basically, pick up a history book, pick a leader or famous person at random, and flip to it. If not them, it'll be one of the next two you come up with. Seriously, there's a reason why this shows up so often in mythology.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>... you know that's not normal, right? I don't know any people I would meet in a dark alley who react that way. Most people tend to at least panic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ArchfiendBobbie, post: 7201925, member: 6867728"] Intelligent measures, among other things, mental acuity and information recall (according to the PHB). That and the fact that 3-18 are considered the human norm range covers knowledge; dragons are really no more knowledgeable than a really smart human. As for age: One look at the white dragon's scores shows you that age doesn't automatically translate to massive intelligence. And if you've ever dealt with elderly humans enough, especially the less pleasant ones, you would know that age doesn't necessarily translate at all to wisdom. What matters is what they've done in life. Someone who is twenty and spent their life in the Marines going from overseas base to overseas base is going to have a far better idea of the world than someone who's forty and never left their home state. As noted by the Monster Manual, most dragons are rather reclusive creatures by human standards, tending to have territory they maintain without interacting with the outside world as much. So, while they are far older, they don't experience as much of the world as the typical adventurer does. Which is reflected in the fact that, for the most part, their Int and Wis scores are good for a first-level character and easily exceeded by a PC with a few levels under their belt. DnD, which is written by humans, has the state range based on humans, and tends to write most things from a human perspective. Your source is a nonscholarly discussion where what you say is refuted by some people within the discussion, including the most comprehensive answer saying that it's most likely the very thing you're discussing is a [I]symptom of neurological disorder[/I] and not actual growth as a person. You've refuted your own argument for me. I'm honestly at a loss as to what to say here. I'm... Congrats. You managed to flabbergast me. I owe my GM twenty bucks now. i thought I had him in a true sucker's bet. Washington, Putin, Steve Jobs, Linus Torvalds, Genghis Khan, more British kings than I thought reasonable (I could pretty much put "the entire history of the British monarchy" here and it wouldn't be that far from the truth), Emperor Nero, um... Basically, pick up a history book, pick a leader or famous person at random, and flip to it. If not them, it'll be one of the next two you come up with. Seriously, there's a reason why this shows up so often in mythology. ... you know that's not normal, right? I don't know any people I would meet in a dark alley who react that way. Most people tend to at least panic. [/QUOTE]
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