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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ArchfiendBobbie" data-source="post: 7202250" data-attributes="member: 6867728">And yet, if you look on these boards and even in our own conversation, you can see places where minor insults worked to keep attention. Including from you. Are you implying that you are a grade school kid?And now you're contradicting yourself, since you claimed you ignored it when I pointed out it actually didn't due to what IQ actually measures.That's the thing about your argument: Everything you've said since the beginning is contradicted by just about anything you try to bring in as a source and even by yourself at times.Here's what the book says about Wisdom checks:"Wisdom reflects how attuned you are to the world around you and represents perceptiveness and intuition.""A Wisdom check might reflect an effort to read body language, understand someone's feelings, notice things about the environment, or care for an injured person. The Animal Handling, Insight, Medicine, Perception, and Survival skills reflect aptitude in certain kinds of Wisdom checks.""Other Wisdom Checks. The DM might call for a Wisdom check when you try to accomplish tasks like the following:Get a gut feeling about what course of action lo followDiscern whether a seemingly dead or living creature is undead"So, those spell saves are not about willpower, but about recognizing that someone is attempting to influence your mind or that your mind is being influenced. Which is why Charm Person gives advantage to Wisdom checks if the target is in combat; they're more likely to recognize that suddenly liking the person they were just trying to harm is wrong.First, comparing them to normal mooks and recognizing they're intentionally not balanced completely destroys the balance argument. Second, that doesn't change the fact that most of them do not have the knowledge skills and the general write-up about dragons indicates they generally don't interact with the world much. Third, they actually don't have other skills instead of knowledge and simply have fewer skills; actually read the stat blocks instead of making things up.Base logic is not what you've used to support your argument, given I've already caught it being contradicted by the evidence you've presented and you contradicted yourself twice on one item. Your entire argument doesn't make any sense in base logic just due to the fact you are contradicting yourself.</blockquote>

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