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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet" data-source="post: 7205484" data-attributes="member: 6689161">Ha!  Nope. He was out of spells in the pre limitless cantrip days.  That is one thing I liked about that old system.  The magic user sometimes had to fall back on crappy weapons with little (usually) no bonus to damage.  It seemed desperate and rugged but we did what we could.Full disclosure, it was a Minotaur that had him against the wall and the elf magic user had a +2 +3 vs. larger than man-sized dagger.  So with his 19 or 20 Thaco, he did have a chance to hit.  But the whole party hinged on him elfing up with a dagger.There were many high fives and shouts of triumph from the whole party.  My group has always had a group victory mentality.  We did not complain and neither did the wizard.  I think we enjoyed the drama but more to the point the drama was created by a poor AC, poor melee ability and depleted spells.  We had more fun due to heterogeneity of character ability.I realize though there were rounds where chucking darts were much less dramatic for that wizard...Its just a different mentality.  For me, having something to lose, not always being the best, having to protect the guy with a d4 attack can lead to a lot of fun if you are in the corresponding frame of mind.But grousing about having to lose a round to change weapons?  That is like having to worry about a light source or any other required activity!  For me this is the very stuff of adventure.  It is not cool when a wind blows out the torch but it can be exciting.  I agree on many of your points.  I just think the OP can have more fun with a small change of perspective...</blockquote>

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