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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4746172" data-attributes="member: 19675">There have been statistical sales analysis done of the areas around physical sites that have high-speed internet access- universities, businesses, etc.- that show a decline in sales of IP (most clearly in sales of music & movies) in those areas after the high-speed internet access became available.The benefit lost is the sale lost.  You're getting full access and use of the product without payment.  You may feel the need to buy a copy down the road, but in the meantime, you've gotten full enjoyment of the product- the IP owner has gotten nothing.Immaterial.  If I steal a car and then buy a car, I've still stolen a car. By both legal and economic definition they do, and RW statistical analysis backs this up.Again, immaterial.  If I choose to market my product (of whatever kind) in a sealed black box that you can't look into and say you have a choice of buying or not buying it at $ price, you don't have the right to take the product, try it out, and then decide to buy it.  You've unilaterally decided to violate the terms by which I placed the product into the market.If, OTOH, I am more amiable and give out samples, you're perfectly free to try it out and buy or not buy, and there is no violation.See above.Its hard to gauge, but I see a LOT of "split personalities."I kid you not- I've had people at my table complain about how the computer game they produced is being pirated more than they're selling...and 2 hours later ask another guy at the table to burn them a copy of someone else's game.I guess not many people get taught lessons about "enlightened self-interest"/Ethics of Reciprocity/Kant's Universality principle/The Golden Rule. "Permanent" is as much a term of art as a "life sentence": all it really means is a significantly long stretch of time.By law, the intent to commit theft occurs at the moment of exercising control- in the case of piracy, that would be the moment you pressed the combination of keys that initiated the download.Determining whether the downloader in fact intended to "permanently deprive" the property owner of his property rights is a matter for a trier of fact (depending on the situation, a judge or jury).LOL!No, the USA isn't the sole sovereign state with laws regarding IP...but it is the major force behind most of the IP treaties that have come down over the past 60 years.  While there are some minor regional variations, the treaty signatories are actually pretty uniform in their protections.The real holes develop when countries choose not to enforce IP laws they have or treaties to which they're signatories.  China, for instance, is notorious for not honoring IP claims from foreign entities.China is also currently trying to figure out how to control the pirates they're sheltering from Western IP holders who also happen to be scorching the bottom line of Chinese IP holders...</blockquote>

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