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<blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 8052424" data-attributes="member: 6803664">And only useful when talking about damage.Right now?&nbsp; I'm playing a PF1 game where I made a PF version of Bree, my 5e Fey/Chain Warlock.&nbsp; It worked out that making her a PF Summoner with some optional rules out of the race guide was the closest way to copy my 5e Warlock stuff. DPR?&nbsp; Pfft.&nbsp; No matter what character you compare her to she'll always be nigh useless DPRwise.&nbsp; AT BEST (barring crits) she'll only ever do d8-2 damage.&nbsp; And with the DMs approval?&nbsp; I made a tiny eidolon - it looks like a pseudo dragon &amp; does at best 3d4 damage.&nbsp; Sometimes it'll poison you to sleep.&nbsp; It's not a combat beast.If DPR was what defined a useful/effective character?&nbsp; I'd be banned from the table. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Bree's like that Shane Battier guy used as an example in the opening post though.&nbsp; She makes things better.&nbsp; Or at least more fun....&nbsp; No matter the scene, even combat, she's doing something useful.&nbsp; She might never do more than incidental damage, but she's got options, skills, is helmed by a creative player who engages with the game, &amp; is backed up by a party.And she's exactly like that in her guise as a 5e Warlock. The only difference is the amount of rules needed to do it. (much less effort needed in 5e. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ccs, post: 8052424, member: 6803664"] And only useful when talking about damage. Right now? I'm playing a PF1 game where I made a PF version of Bree, my 5e Fey/Chain Warlock. It worked out that making her a PF Summoner with some optional rules out of the race guide was the closest way to copy my 5e Warlock stuff. DPR? Pfft. No matter what character you compare her to she'll always be nigh useless DPRwise. AT BEST (barring crits) she'll only ever do d8-2 damage. And with the DMs approval? I made a tiny eidolon - it looks like a pseudo dragon & does at best 3d4 damage. Sometimes it'll poison you to sleep. It's not a combat beast. If DPR was what defined a useful/effective character? I'd be banned from the table. :) Bree's like that Shane Battier guy used as an example in the opening post though. She makes things better. Or at least more fun.... No matter the scene, even combat, she's doing something useful. She might never do more than incidental damage, but she's got options, skills, is helmed by a creative player who engages with the game, & is backed up by a party. And she's exactly like that in her guise as a 5e Warlock. The only difference is the amount of rules needed to do it. (much less effort needed in 5e. :)) [/QUOTE]

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