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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8052664" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>It's the later. It's not a good analogy tool because most of us are not familiar with it, and we have no idea if your assessment of how useful it is, is actually accurate or based on your personal opinions. I know Batting Average appears as a stat very often. I know <a href="https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2019/Batting-Pitching-or-Fielding-Whats-Most-Important-in-Todays-MLB" target="_blank">some analysts disagree with your assessment of it</a>. I know it's a <a href="https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/5/7/3004206/a-different-way-to-look-at-batting-average" target="_blank">decent stat if you don't have better stats to go off</a> because, "First off, it should be stated that batting average, like all the other stats sabermetricians love to hate (W-L, RBI, SV, even ERA), does not mean <em>nothing</em>. If you hit for a high average, chances are you’re a good hitter, and if you hit for a low average, chances are you’re a poor hitter. Likewise, there is no doubt a positive correlation between wins for starting pitchers and their underlying performance (FIP, SIERA, or whatever else you care to use)...The rub, of course, comes from the fact that we simply have better numbers to look at."</p><p></p><p>Taken that way, since we don't have a better stat for D&D to look at, if DPR is Batting Average, we should be using DPR. Because like Batting Average, it's a decent stat which does correlate to wins, it's just not the best if you have a better alternative stat. Which...we don't for D&D. </p><p></p><p>Bottom line though, I just have no context to know if your analogy is even useful. And if it is, I am not sure your analogy is even proving what you thought it did given we are not discussing a field with a ton of more detailed stats to draw from instead.</p><p></p><p>Which is why I keep wondering, why do you keep using it?</p><p></p><p>I gave you Player Efficiency Rating (John Hollingers universal stat for the NBA) and you dropped it, I presume because you're not too familiar with it. Which is fair enough...so now you understand why a lot of us are not getting much out of your Batting Average comparison. If you got that concept with an NBA stat, why are you still perusing the even-less popular Baseball stat?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 8052664, member: 2525"] It's the later. It's not a good analogy tool because most of us are not familiar with it, and we have no idea if your assessment of how useful it is, is actually accurate or based on your personal opinions. I know Batting Average appears as a stat very often. I know [URL='https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2019/Batting-Pitching-or-Fielding-Whats-Most-Important-in-Todays-MLB']some analysts disagree with your assessment of it[/URL]. I know it's a [URL='https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/5/7/3004206/a-different-way-to-look-at-batting-average']decent stat if you don't have better stats to go off[/URL] because, "First off, it should be stated that batting average, like all the other stats sabermetricians love to hate (W-L, RBI, SV, even ERA), does not mean [I]nothing[/I]. If you hit for a high average, chances are you’re a good hitter, and if you hit for a low average, chances are you’re a poor hitter. Likewise, there is no doubt a positive correlation between wins for starting pitchers and their underlying performance (FIP, SIERA, or whatever else you care to use)...The rub, of course, comes from the fact that we simply have better numbers to look at." Taken that way, since we don't have a better stat for D&D to look at, if DPR is Batting Average, we should be using DPR. Because like Batting Average, it's a decent stat which does correlate to wins, it's just not the best if you have a better alternative stat. Which...we don't for D&D. Bottom line though, I just have no context to know if your analogy is even useful. And if it is, I am not sure your analogy is even proving what you thought it did given we are not discussing a field with a ton of more detailed stats to draw from instead. Which is why I keep wondering, why do you keep using it? I gave you Player Efficiency Rating (John Hollingers universal stat for the NBA) and you dropped it, I presume because you're not too familiar with it. Which is fair enough...so now you understand why a lot of us are not getting much out of your Batting Average comparison. If you got that concept with an NBA stat, why are you still perusing the even-less popular Baseball stat? [/QUOTE]
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